Re: Reclassification - Babbling Lunacy continues

["Quantum_Cat" <anonymous@cotse.com>]

Hiya, Rosy...

 *>> At least you'd have to provide more evidence that 
support
 *>> your assertion.
 *> ....

 *>    You can check the Deja archives of Csa2 for early 
1997. A
 *>search for
 *>"Word Perfect" should get you into relevant threads.

Well, that would get the posts of Tom's screwup, but 
hardly establishes his responsibility for getting 
reclassification of software started again.  ;)

 *>> Uh.. Yeah.  After he had posted it and claimed to 
have
 *>> permission.  Is it any wonder that the "Word of 
Turley" is
 *>> synonymous with "lie"?

 *>     It's been a long time-- my recollection is that, 
on one or
 *>more
 *>occasions, the person/company contacted believed it 
owned the
 *>product and was
 *>ready to give an okay. When the okay fell though, Tom 
got blasted
 *>with
 *>accusations of lying, deception, etc. even though he 
was up-front
 *>about
 *>reporting setbacks.

Hmmm... let's see if he's so open with the latest 
setback concerning Empire and the Eduware.

How history repeats itself.  :P

*snip*


 *>> I understand that Willie's efforts are individual.  
At least
 *>> I haven't seen a "Csa2 effort" assisting him.

 *>     Treasure Chest began as a Csa2-backed effort. 
(Again, you can
 *>find the
 *>initial postings and discussion in Deja's archives.)  
Later on,
 *>Willie made
 *>some kind of announcement that he considered Treasure 
Chest to be
 *>an
 *>independent project no longer related to Csa2.

I'll look.


 *>> 
 *>>  *> As for the so-called "illegal pirate sites", 
that discussion
 *>is ended.
 *>> 
 *>> Oh?  And the verdict?

 *>     It seems to have been a useful discussion.

Yet the sites remain?  Hardly a conclusion, Rosy..

 *> 
 *>>  *> You might as well know this:  Whatever they are 
called, they
 *>are
 *>>  *> supported by the overwhelming majority of 
users. They will
 *>>  *> remain and, very likely, expand, because they 
are necessary.
 *>> 
 *>> One day, Rosy, you're going to have to share how 
you get your
 *>> statistical data.

 *>     The assessments are based upon many, many posts 
here and on
 *>comp.emulators.apple2. For instance, there are piles 
of messages
 *>asking where
 *>to download this or that game. There are lots of 
similar
 *>situations involving
 *>oldie utilities.

Hardly an accurate enough count to make the proclamation 
that the majority of Apple II community loves piracy.  
;)

Shall we just say.. Lots?

 *>     On the one hand, you have a constant flow of new 
and
 *>established users;
 *>on the other-- i.e. those who complain about the 
downloads-- you
 *>have pretty
 *>much the same few persons.

Hmm... I've seen new faces on the vogon side as well.. 
Perhaps you have selective vision?

 *>> 
 *>> For example, before you could find out if a number 
is a
 *>> majority, you'd have to know the total.
 *>> 
 *>> Unless you know BOTH, then you're simply 
fabricating numbers
 *>> again.
 *>> 
 *>> Or as Mark Twain said:
 *>> 
 *>> "There are lies, Damn lies, and Statistics"

 *>     Cute; however, no statistics have been 
presented, just broad
 *>descriptions.

No... Broad assertions backed up by nothing.  ;)

 *>> 
 *>> As for being necessary.. Come ON!  Playing Dig Dug 
is
 *>> necessary?  Do look up the word in the dictionary 
and join me
 *>> in snickering.  ;)

 *>     Feel free to snicker at Dig Dug. You can also 
snicker at the
 *>wish for
 *>access to ...

Yikes!  That's almost as bad as Pules.. Blah, blah's..  
;)

You DO understand the difference between something 
necessary, and a "wish for access to", don't you?  I 
think you're evading the issue.. again.

 *>And, these are just 'action games'. Other large 
collections would
 *>be
 *>Adventures & RPG, Simulation, Strategy, ... . And, we 
have not
 *>gotten into
 *>Edu Software, Productivity, Utilities, ... and other 
non-game
 *>areas, yet.

And the "necessity" behind providing these illegally?  
Besides simple desire to get something for nothing?

I'll bet you evade this issue too.  ;)


 *>> They can and will expand, that's agreed.
 *> ....

 *>     Good.

Dang.. You snipped my growing mold and mildew analogy... 
I liked that one too.  ;)

But I'm not surpised you'd do that.  

 *>> 
 *>> That just means some poor pirate sap will lose his 
cable
 *>> account in time.  Maybe a long time.

 *>     Maybe not. A recent court decision against 
holding an ISP
 *>responsible
 *>for content of sites it hosts has the effect of 
making many 'Terms
 *>of Usage'
 *>restrictions much less attractive. ISP's which insist 
upon strict
 *>terms and
 *>hair-trigger enforcement will not be able to compete. 

Well, as we've found with court decisions on the 
"Shrinkwrap Agreements" they can conflict and have yet 
to be settled.  I am unaware of this court decision an 
at what level it occurred at, but it probably wasn't in 
Canada, where the latest pirate site is located.  That 
poor bozo man not be as secure as he thinks.  ;)

 *>>  I'll do my best to
 *>> throw hand grenades down their shorts.  ;)

 *>     You may need for-real grenades. For instance, 
free site space
 *>ISP's are
 *>starting to realize that a rep for scrapping sites 
upon getting
 *>just any kind
 *>of complaint leaves them hosting "My Picture Book" 
pages with
 *>zilch for
 *>traffic and zilch for banner advertising revenues.

So... It's Pirate Sites and Porn to make a Profit?  You 
really refuse to take the ethical side of the argument, 
don't you?  ;)

 *> ....

 *>> 
 *>>  *>     Enjoy the celebration!
 *>> 
 *>> yay... whee...
 *>> 

 *> ....

 *>     Cool; and, if you pull the lever, the merry-go-
round will
 *>actually start
 *>moving!

Cool!  And it's removable and suitable for knocking 
noggin's too... ;)


 *>Rubywand

Vogons For a Turlette Free Apple II Community!

Quantum_Cat