Re: Reclassification - Tranquility celebration continues

[Rubywand <rubywand@swbell.net>]

Quantum_Cat writes ...
> 
> Regards, Rosy..
> 
>  *>Grettings, Quantum_Cat.
> 
> Hmm.. had to look that up to see if it was an obscure curse.
> ;)
>
     Never! It is an ancient greeting especially suited to cats.

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>  *>> Lost Classics
 ....
>  *> in early 1997, it was an old GEnie project which
>  *> had run out of steam. Tom is the one who got
>  *> things rolling again.
>  *>
> 
> Perhaps it did run out of steam while folks were worried
> about the demise of Genie, and the reins weren't handed off
> smoothly, but claiming Tom was the one to get it going again
> is... absurd.  ;)
> 
> At least you'd have to provide more evidence that support
> your assertion.
 ....

    You can check the Deja archives of Csa2 for early 1997. A search for
"Word Perfect" should get you into relevant threads.


> 
>  *> An irony is that interest in reclassification probably got the
>  *> biggest boost via an effort that failed-- i.e. the trials and
>  *> tribulations involved in finally tracking down the real owner of
>  *> Word Perfect and finding that he was not at all interested in
>  *> reclassifying the product.
> 
> Uh.. Yeah.  After he had posted it and claimed to have
> permission.  Is it any wonder that the "Word of Turley" is
> synonymous with "lie"?

     It's been a long time-- my recollection is that, on one or more
occasions, the person/company contacted believed it owned the product and was
ready to give an okay. When the okay fell though, Tom got blasted with
accusations of lying, deception, etc. even though he was up-front about
reporting setbacks.

     Anyway, the fireworks surrounding the Word Perfect effort did serve to
promote an interest in reclassification.


> 
>  *>     Of course, Tom's success with Medley/gs was a boost,
> too. It showed
>  *>that getting important software reclassified was doable.
> 
> Wellll.... Applewriter, GraForth and others from Paul Lutus
> were hardly unimportant.  I suspect we can lob rocks at each
> others "Important" list all day, and get nowhere.  In any
> case, getting software reclassified IS a boost, no matter who
> is responsible.
>

     There is no inclination to 'lob rocks' at anyone's contribution to the
enjoyment and productivity of II computing.


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> I understand that Willie's efforts are individual.  At least
> I haven't seen a "Csa2 effort" assisting him.

     Treasure Chest began as a Csa2-backed effort. (Again, you can find the
initial postings and discussion in Deja's archives.)  Later on, Willie made
some kind of announcement that he considered Treasure Chest to be an
independent project no longer related to Csa2.



> Any efforts by the Dorktor seem to
> center around his own "publications"
 ....

     This is pretty much the way it has to be. Similarly, there is no
particular reason that Willie should send special updates to Tom or anyone
else. Dealings with a company or individual rights holder are tricky enough
without involving others. As long as everyone announces results, Wilie can
maintain a record on the Treasure Chest site.

 ....
> 
>  *> As for the so-called "illegal pirate sites", that discussion is ended.
> 
> Oh?  And the verdict?

     It seems to have been a useful discussion.


> 
> BTW, Screaming "We won! We won!" doesn't cut it.  ;)

     There is no need to scream it or, even, to say it.


 
>  *> You might as well know this:  Whatever they are called, they are
>  *> supported by the overwhelming majority of users. They will
>  *> remain and, very likely, expand, because they are necessary.
> 
> One day, Rosy, you're going to have to share how you get your
> statistical data.

     The assessments are based upon many, many posts here and on
comp.emulators.apple2. For instance, there are piles of messages asking where
to download this or that game. There are lots of similar situations involving
oldie utilities.

     On the one hand, you have a constant flow of new and established users;
on the other-- i.e. those who complain about the downloads-- you have pretty
much the same few persons.


> 
> For example, before you could find out if a number is a
> majority, you'd have to know the total.
> 
> Unless you know BOTH, then you're simply fabricating numbers
> again.
> 
> Or as Mark Twain said:
> 
> "There are lies, Damn lies, and Statistics"

     Cute; however, no statistics have been presented, just broad
descriptions.


> 
> As for being necessary.. Come ON!  Playing Dig Dug is
> necessary?  Do look up the word in the dictionary and join me
> in snickering.  ;)

     Feel free to snicker at Dig Dug. You can also snicker at the wish for
access to ...

aeronaut.dsk.gz
airheart
alcazar_full_disk.dsk.gz
aliens.zip
apple_bowling.dsk.gz
apple_panic
arcade_bootcamp.dsk.gz
arcade_insanity.dsk.gz
arctic_fox.dsk.gz
ardy_the_aardvark.dsk.gz
argos.dsk.gz
arkanoid.dsk.gz
artesians.dsk.gz
asteroids.dsk.gz
Aztec.zip
bad_dudes
ball_blazer.dsk.gz
.
.
.

ImpossibleMission.gz
indiana_jones
infiltrator.do.gz
IntoTheEaglesNest.zip
invader1.zip
jawbreaker.dsk.gz
j-bird.dsk.gz
jet_pack.dsk.gz
joust.dsk
jumpman.zip
jungle_hunt.dsk.gz
kamikaze.do.zip
Karateka.zip
kid_nikki
klan_cookout+.dsk.gz
LadyTut.zip
Lancaster.dsk.gz
LandOfThePyramids.dsk.gz
laser_maze.dsk.gz
LastGladiator.dsk.gz
lock_n_chase+.dsk.gz
lode_runner.dsk.gz
.
.
.

queen_of_hearts.dsk.gz
rad_warrior.dsk.gz
Rampage.zip
Randamn.zip
realm_of_impossibility.dsk.gz
rear_guard.dsk.gz
repton.dsk.gz
rescue_raiders.dsk.gz
revenge_of_lode_runner.do.gz
ribbit.dsk.gz
robocop
robotics.dsk.gz
Robotron.zip
.
.
.

Up_N_Down.zip
victory_road
warp_destroyer.dsk.gz
WavyNavy.zip
wayout.dsk.gz
who_framed_roger_rabbit
willy_byte
wings_of_fury
wolfenstein
xevious.dsk.gz
zaxxon.po.gz
zenith.dsk.gz
zero_gravity_pinball.dsk.gz
zoo_master.dsk.gz
zorro

And, these are just 'action games'. Other large collections would be
Adventures & RPG, Simulation, Strategy, ... . And, we have not gotten into
Edu Software, Productivity, Utilities, ... and other non-game areas, yet.



> They can and will expand, that's agreed.
 ....

     Good.


> 
> That just means some poor pirate sap will lose his cable
> account in time.  Maybe a long time.

     Maybe not. A recent court decision against holding an ISP responsible
for content of sites it hosts has the effect of making many 'Terms of Usage'
restrictions much less attractive. ISP's which insist upon strict terms and
hair-trigger enforcement will not be able to compete. 



>  I'll do my best to
> throw hand grenades down their shorts.  ;)

     You may need for-real grenades. For instance, free site space ISP's are
starting to realize that a rep for scrapping sites upon getting just any kind
of complaint leaves them hosting "My Picture Book" pages with zilch for
traffic and zilch for banner advertising revenues.


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> 
>  *>     Enjoy the celebration!
> 
> yay... whee...
> 

 ....

     Cool; and, if you pull the lever, the merry-go-round will actually start
moving!



Rubywand