That's interesting. It would surely bring down the cost, if Mr. Heineman would license them. I expect he would be a lot cheaper than dealing with Apple. -- Thank you for your time and interest. I hope it was helpful or at least interesting. Phoenyx, Apple2 user since March 1984 Links to Phoenyx's pages: preferred..... http://zip.to/Phoenyx_A2 alternate..... http://www.tinyangeldesigns.com/Apple2