Re: Who is Cturdley2 ??

["Quantum_Cat" <anonymous@cotse.com>]

RosyWanker defecates:

 *>> cturley2 runs ftp sites for Apple II software.  (runs, 
not hosts)

 *>     He has an http site. Perhaps, he may expand to an ftp 
site.)

Heh... wanna bet it won't have an asimov mirror on it?  :)

 *>> Most of it, especially the commercial stuff, is still 
under copyright law,

 *>     Well, since most of the software on nearly every site 
is not public
 *>domain, it is "under copyright law". Practically all of 
the software on
 *>Tom's http site is freeware or shareware.

And your point is?  Shareware is copyright protected too, but 
the authors have given permission for the user to try before 
they buy.  You aren't trying to cloud the issue, are you, 
Rosy?


 *>> and most of this stuff has been
 *>> out of print for a decade or two, nobody tends to 
complain too much.
 *>> (although some may have.  Again, I haven't seen any)

 *>     You're letting common sense get the best of you. 
There are few vogon
 *>types who routinely complain, threaten, whine, ... about 
twenty year-old
 *>software being available to users.

That would be me.  ;)

And the availablility isn't the problem.  It's making it 
available without the permission of the copyright holder.  

That equals theft.

Now we know you don't mind being a thief, Rosy, but lay off 
the "Holier than Thou" bullshit.

Your smokescreens and straw man arguments have been shown for 
what they are.  Whine about them if you must.

 *>> Personally, I've not had any problems, personally with
 *>> the man.

 *>     Me neither, unless you count having to fix the 
filenames of stuff he's
 *>continually stuffing into each issue of GS WorldView for 
PC HTML
 *>compatibility. (Tom, alas, is a dedicated Mac user.)

RosyWanker... GSWS File Janitor...  What an image.

And you're so modest.. You do more than fix filenames.. You 
make Tom's stolen material look "nicer"...

 *>     He was a valuable, reliable writer for II Alive and 
has always proved
 *>worthy of trust. 

Sadly, II Alive was anything but reliable.

And you must be using an entirely different meaning of the 
word "trust" than the rest of the world is accustomed to 
using.

 *>> But many in the A2 on-line community do, for the reasons 
above.

 *>     Not all that many and not for the "reasons" 
mentioned. Mainly, Tom is

Oh?  You've been counting?  I'd say you lie.  And you claim 
to know that our motives aren't what we say they are?  I say 
you lie.

 *>attacked by a dwindling clique of has-been "developers" 
and their toadies

Hmmm.. This is why you never win any congeniality awards, 
Rosy.  You slander the only folks bringing new programs to 
the Apple II Community.  And you wonder why you have so many 
problems getting folks to like you.  ;)

 *>who can't seem to do much of anything right. 

Heh.  With YOU as the Judge of what's right?  The only thing 
I see YOU do, is wrap Dorktor Tom's purloined prattle in HTML 
code, and post those olde recycled pre-Nathan FAQ.  Oh, and 
cover Charles butt when he makes a fool of himself.

 *>They are jealous because Tom repeatedly gets the job done 
for users while
 *> they sit on their lazy butts.

Oh, I suppose I COULD be jealous that Tom and you are doing 
such a fine job stealing software for the less honest Apple 
II user...

But you can hardly talk about sitting on lazy butts, Mr. "Why 
Write It When I Can Steal It"

 *>> Whether the are real or not.
 *>>

 *>     So far, it's a big "not". Here are a few for the 
"real" category:

 *>o- originated efforts to contact copyright owners in order 
to reclassify old
 *>commercial software as freeware or public domain

And if they don't answer, steal it anyway.

 *>o- contacted AOL and carried out the project to preserve 
AOL's huge Apple II
 *>library, along with software descriptions, on Ground 

And if they don't answer, steal it anyway.

 *>o- contributed articles, including a classic Woz 
interview, to II Alive

Whoopee..  I wonder how much of that Tom made up.  He does 
that, you know.

 *>o- publishes the largest, longest-running free Apple II 
on-line magazine

Oh?  Until recently, Tom just tossed stuff in a folder... 
didn't even bother about HTML...

It was like wading around in a pool of organic fertilizer.  
Now that you jazz it up with odd graphics, it's like wading 
around in slightly less aromatic organic fertilizer.

And Tom's choices in graphics are bizzare.  Why he thinks 
something there might be of use to Apple II users is beyond 
ANYONES comprehension.

Age and Volume are certainly no indication of quality here. 

 *>> If you give cturley2 ftp space, this is what you'll 
confront.

 *>     When we accepted and published Tom's interview with 
Woz in II Alive
 *>back in the mid 1990's, four separate anti-Tom attack/hate 
letters were
 *>received at Scantron (the publisher). Oddly, not one was 
addressed to the
 *>Editor or Managing Editor but, instead, all were addressed 
to the Scantron
 *>Products Manager. He passed them along to me for the 
purpose of checking out
 *>the numerous charges.

 *>     None of the checkable charges was true-- except, 
possibly, the horrible
 *>crime of "sector editing ProDOS" (something which is 
necessary in order to
 *>use ProDOS with some Apple II clones).  The senders were 
asked to supply
 *>some kind of verification for their charges in writing. 
Not one responded.

Sort of lame of them.  I guess we see why Tom never backs up 
his claims then.  He learned from these folks.

 *>     So, if by "what you'll confront" you mean that your 
ISP will be
 *>harassed with lying complaints, then, quite possibly, yes. 
A few
 *>self-deluded wrecker types have nothing better to do with 
their time.

Lying complaints?  You mean Tom wants to use these ftp sites 
he's been soliciting for legal reasons?  Boy.. Is MY face 
red. 

Oh.  But you're as big a liar as Tom is, Rosy.  And I'd have 
to take your word with a large grain of salt.

So... What feeble excuse do you and Charles have for NOT 
putting your asimov goodies on the Dorktors server?

Vogons For a Turlette Free Apple II Community!

Quantum_Cat