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RE: To Jeff Blakeney - please read!
Turley gets his shorts all bunched up and spews:
*> To Jeff Blakeney - please read - but, there's no
need to reply - as
*>we all know your mind is set in your ways. Your consistent
campaign to
*>make all that exist in the REAL world and the Apple II
world - 100%
*>legal bemused me to no end.
I'm not Jeff, but I play him on TV. :)
I'm sure Jeff lives to bemuse you. I'd venture to guess that
playing with your own toes does much the same.
*> Can't you comprehend that your efforts as a moral
preacher within
*>the Apple II community is not going to change anything or
anybody? The
I suppose it won't change you, but your assertion that it
won't change anything or anybody is unfounded. One might
even say you lie. There are many cases when folks have
changed their evil ways. Some folks CARE about being
thieves.
*>majority of the people know what is legal and what is not
legal and they
*>can make their own decisions on what and what not to do.
They don't need
*>you to point it out to them - over and over again! It's
not going to
*>alter what they do or don't do.
Well, tisk, Turley. Does this annoy you? Now why would you
think that you and your fellow Space Rangers should be so
privileged as to have a free hand at determining what gets
discussed in this forum?
*> I may not have any teeth (as one of your close
Delphi friends
*>pointed out in the past, with a post on this newsgroup)
but, I do know
*>how to do a REALITY BITE - when needed. And, you Sir - do
need a
*>reality bite!
The Doctor has spoken. Of course, that bite is rabid, and
likely to turn you into a drooling idiot, Jeff, so don't
listen to him. I'm not about to let Turley define reality
for me either. :)
*> The world is not perfect nor 100% legal and try as
you may to make
*>it so - it never will be!
Why do you persist in thinking that we feel that the world is
perfect or 100% legal, Tom? Perhaps because it's a good
straw man to whack away at while you ignore the main
argument?
We KNOW that it's not. If it was, we wouldn't be holding
your feet to the fire so much. ;)
*> The same goes for any world or community on this
planet (including
*>the Apple II community) - be it a virtual world/community -
on the
*>Internet - or the real world/community we all live in. It
takes a left
*>and a right to make a whole - with anything. A negative
and a positive
*>exist with all. there is no mono pole, there is no perfect
community,
*>world or person.
Whoa. How profound. Junk philosophy. And more straw men.
Perhaps this kind of stuff impresses your average Turlette,
but yet again, you ignore our point. You are thieves. We
don't like thieves. And we don't HAVE to stifle ourselves to
suit you. :)
*> Now concerning your posted reply to Rubywands below
- here comes
*>mine to you on it all - read it clearly and read it
carefully.
My... You're SO bossy, Tom. Let's hope you actually wrote
something clearly for once.
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*>On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:57:53 -0600, Rubywand <
rubywand@swbell.net>
*>wrote:
*> > Oh, ... let's not! > > As long as someone
insists upon
*>ranting about "piracy" and "breaking the >law" when you
download 20
*>year-old out-of-print software >
*> Jeff, you are so skilled at cutting things off at
the best part -
*>WHY? I'll tell you why - because that's the style of any
*>self-proclaimed do-gooder, hypemeister or crafty politician
- trying to
*>move the masses to their way of thinking on matters they
can't
*>comprehend the reasoning for or the need of.
Argumentum ad hominem, Tom. Attacking Jeff or anybody else
for being "self-proclaimed do-gooder, hypemeister or crafty
politician"'s does absolutely nothing to add merit to your
argument, although it may sway your fellow Turlettes.
*> NEXT YOU STATE:
*> "The copyrights on those titles don't expires for
at least 30 more
*>years. Deal with it."
*> Jeff...you deal with it. What you said above is to
vague,
*>generalized and assumptive - at it's best (as are most of
your
*>comments), So much so - that it's really of no use to
respond to it in
*>any more detail here.
LOL! Pot... Kettle... Black... ;D
There are days when you truely entertain, Tom!
Imagine, accusing Jeff of "generalizing" and then.."(as are
most of your comments)". Brilliance! And then... "it's
really of no use to respond to it in any more detail
here."!!!
You are either a satirist of vast skill, or a total idiot. I
suppose you know which way I vote. :)
*> >(maintained on sites >which have a standing offer
to remove it if
*>so requested by the copyright >owner),
*> Jeff...next you stated: "There has been at least
once that this
*>"offer" was not honoured and at least once where it took a
lot of effort
*>on the copyright holders part to get their stuff removed.
Regardless,
*>this offer still does not make the archives on these sites
any more
*>legal."
*> OK Jeff...prove that in a court of law then and
itemize your above
*>claims, if you can! "At least once" (exactly what �once�
might that be
*>then)? Like I said - nothing is perfect and if you have a
formula to
*>make it perfect - I'd love to hear it. Even if there was
an "At least
*>once" - that's not such a bad tally.
It's not Jeff's responsibility to bring this to court, Tom.
He's not a copyright holder of any of those stolen goods.
While those copyright holders ARE responsible for protecting
their rights, your little attempt at misdirection does
absolutely NOTHING to change the fact that there are stolen
goods at these sites. But of course, you feel that if you
wave your hands about and spew the magic words, folks will
forget about that.
I suppose it works.
But I'll point out that we STILL don't have to swallow it
whole. Some of us are still offended and will continue to
hold the spotlight on your activities.
To paraphrase some mental midget: "It's not going to alter
what we do or don't do."
*> >it will be necessary to, at least, observe that
such claims are
*>>nonsense.
*> Then Jeff...you reply to that with this: "I get
such a good laugh
*>every time I read this. :-)"
*> That's nice that you get a good laugh Jeff. A good
laugh is often
*>the best medicine for a closed mind. I get a good laugh
every time I
*>read most of your comments too. Just as I'm sure you do
with mine.
Well, if your mind becomes too open, it falls out and
splatters on the floor. :)
*> > The last thing a user who helps a newbie
looking for
*>assemblers, BASIC >editors, etc. needs is to be put down on
an Apple II
*>newsgroup when he/she >directs the new user to the major
sources of
*>Apple II software on the net.
*> Now Jeff..here you related: "I don't put anyone
down. I just like
*>to remind people that the "out-of-print software" that a
lot of people
*>are pointing them to is still legally protected by
copyright law. Some
*>people actually appreciate it when you stop them from
breaking the law."
*> Jeff...you may conclude that you don�t put anyone
down - but, I and
*>many others I know well - think that you do and you do so
often also, in
*>most of your posted replies. Even if YOU don�t see it, many
OTHERS do
*>and have posted that they do. Think on this one. It's ALL
still legally
*>protected by the copyright law unless it's public domain.
That doesn't
OK.. So far you seem to have gotten the point.
*>mean it's not legal or that people break the law when they
obtain and
*>use it - unless the owner says so. That�s what it really
all come down
*>to!
Oops... Now you lost it. Face it, Tom, you'll never make
lawyer. If a cop observes someone breaking into a car, he
doesn't hunt down the owner to see if that's OK with them.
*> > Jonathan got off to a good start in mentioning
Asimov. Here is
*>a listing >of the main Apple II software archives:
*> Jeff...here's a classic example of your attitude
and the nature of
*>your mind, your campaign to move the masses towards your
own views and
*>so on - with this comment and reply:
I often wonder why you continue to state the obvious, Tom.
It's not like it makes you look like a deep thinker. We are
well aware of the views and campaigns on csa2.
*> "Let's take a look at these sites:
*> >Apple Cabi.net (ACN) sites- > ACN Florida > ACN
Tarnover >Apple
*>IIgs Gaming Memory Fairway >Asimov >Asimov Mirrors- >
Georgia Mirror >
*>ACN Florida > ACN Tarnover >XGS
*> Very little on these sites is there legally."
*> Can you itemize and prove that statement with facts
- rather than
*>your own vague assumptions? Have you actually researched
EVERYTHING on
Oh dear. Another Straw man argument. Jeff doesn't HAVE to
reseach EVERYTHING, Tom. All it takes is _ONE_ copyright
program in the archive to make it an illegal site. Reality
DOES bite, doesn't it Tom?
*>those sites and proven LEGALLY - that "Very little on these
sites is
Wow... Flip-flopping, Tom? Now you the protection of the
Law? Well sure. The law is there to protect you as well as
copyright owners. Curious how you demand it while denying it
to others.
*>there legally". And your use of the word �Let�s� - really
does seem to
*>show that you conclude you are the power, the controller
and the person
*>that�s overseeing the masses that make up your world. Even
your
You need to brush up on your reading skills, Tom. "Let's" is
a contraction that means "Let us". "Let" in this case, is an
invitation to go view those particular sites. "Us" is a
plural collection of those who wish to actually go to those
sites and view them.
You really ought to do something about those hallucinations.
*>self-proclaimed title of �Dean� that you use - shows this
clearly. And,
*SNORK*
Oh great... I shouldn't be drinking at the keyboard... Milk
up my nose. :)
"Dr." Tom... (*giggle*)... That title is hardly "self-
proclaimed". Jeff was knighted with it in a very moving
ceremony.
"Hey Jeff. Do you want to be Dean of A2PRO Delphi?" "I
guess" "Done"
That's truely the way it was, "Dr." Tom... (*giggle*)
*>I�m not putting you down Jeff. I�m simply telling it like I
see it with
*>respect to you.
And that's why we admire you so much, "Dr." Tom... (*giggle*
)... Who can do anything but admire someone who can still see
when they have their head stuck in such a tight and dark
place. :)
*> You remind me a lot of the �Church Lady Character�
that Dana Carvey
*>did on �Saturday Night Live�. I even showed your
collectives of CSA2
*>posted replies to a friend of mine who�s a well respected
mental health
*>researcher and skilled psychiatrist for his comments about
your views
*>and post content. He thinks you suffer from a superiority
complex,
Tisk... Fallacy based on an Appeal to Authority. And an
authority who could only be suspect due to his friendsheep
with you. ;)
*>delusions of grandure, social anxiety disorder and an
obsessive
*>compulsive disorder. I agree with his conclusions.
But of course. Whatever the "Dr." ... (*giggle*) says. :)
<snipping some stuff here>
*> >Apple2 Caltech
*> Jeff...here you state:
*> "The last time I checked this site, it seemed to be
pretty much all
*>legal archives but it is a pretty old site and doesn't have
the
*>selection available in other sites."
*> I'll agree with that 100%.
You have this odd little quirk with these "I'll agree with
that 100%." comments, Tom. They're rarely 100% correct, as
demonstrated by a recent Easter Egg thread here.
*> >Ground Apple2 U. Iowa
*> Jeff...now you express YOUR minds view in full on
Ground - as
*>follows: "This site probably has the most Apple II software
on it but
*>unfortunately some illegal archives have been and probably
still are on
*>the site. However, as most of the archives are legal, it
is my second
*>choice of sites to send people to."
*> And, like I said before - NOTHING IS PERFECT Jeff!
Not Ground, not
*>gno.org/Trenco, not Delphi - not anything - can you
understand that?
And this might be a good time to say... If there is ONE
archive there that is illegal, that taints the whole archive,
Tom. Get over it.
*> The key words you place the most value on in your
above statement
*>are; probably, however, choice, sites, send and people. To
me that
*>sounds like the vague methods a skill politician and/or
moral preacher
*>uses to try and move the masses to their own way of
thinking. And,
*>again - it sounds like you are placing yourself above the
mass of people
*>in importance too.
Sigh. Pot, Kettle, Black. And throw in auditory
hallucinations too.
*> >GS WorldView 'zine >USA2WUG
*> And now Jeff...you give your ultimate grade
concerning my efforts
*>with my own website with this comment: "I tried to look at
a GS
*>WorldView issue a couple times and have given up because it
hardly ever
*>has anything legal that isn't available elsewhere and the
organization
*>and content of these places leave a lot to be desired."
Oh oh... I feel a Turleyesqe "I'll agree with that 100%."
coming on.... There. It passed.
*> Giving up - after a couple oftime doesn't sound
like much of a real
*>effort to me. We do try and have been trying for well over
five years
*>now to give most of the people that visit and value the
contents of my
*>website - what they have asked for on this and other
newsgroups, in an
*>opened, legal and easy to navigate style. Most of them seem
pleased and
*>happy with what is offered there also - from the feedback
they have
*>given me over the years. Having a five year collective of
well over 500
*>MB's on a website like mine now does - certainly have some
things that
*>would no doubt - give a person with your overseeing
attitude,
*>set-in-mind nature and personal views of select places,
people and
*>things - a lot to be desired.
*> We do try our best - but, we can't please
EVERYBODY. We full well
*>know that nothing we do could please you, no matter how
much we try!
*> Jeff with this final comment - you show your
extreme displeasure
*>with the omission of the Trenco FTP site:
Dang. You used the "final" word again. You ought to look it
up in the dictionary, Tom. You've been misusing it for
years.
<even more snipped due to exhaustion>
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*>------- + or -, I remain (imperfect) with Cheers, Tom
It's been good chatting with you again, Tom.
Adios,
Quantum_Cat
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