Re: Pirates of Silicon Valley

[Mike <moose@rocknet.net.au>]

Mike Pike wrote:

> I already responded in email what I think of your post.... but let me
> rebut you publicly as well...
>
> Read the final part of my sentence..."or so I am told..." - means I am not
> positive of my information.. it was what I was told... calling my post
> "utter bullshit" was totally uncalled for... now let me cut into yours a
> little bit... did you HEAR Jobs and Wozniac say "Wow we're BLOWN away!"  I
> didn't think so - so perhaps, if I am right, you are the one full of utter
> bullshit as you so eloquently put it.... and as for "Get your facts
> straight!" - perhaps you should read the message you are responding to in
> more depth before spouting off at the mouth....  your message tells me you
> are a person who thinks they are always right no matter what - nobody at
> your office probably likes you... the fact of the matter is I heard what I
> heard from this newsgroup - so somebody out there obviously has a source
> for the information... as I am sure someone told you Jobs and Woz were
> "blown away".. because I am POSITIVE you didn't hear that from them
> yourself - you're not Apple computer employee material... heh
>
> Mike

The standard MAC deadshit form of rebuttal.

Don't argue with the facts - attack the person - make it a personla attack if you
cannot win.

"Not Apple employee material" ???  Possibly not - but who are you to say ?  I am
not sure I want to work for a company that is going down the toilet anyway, even
though I do like a lot of their hardware and software.  I don't think I ever want
to work anywhere near Jobs either.

I still look back with very fond memories on my Apple ][ days ....

Mike O'Malley

> Mike (moose@rocknet.net.au) wrote:
> : Mike Pike wrote:
> :
> : > That's not entirely true.... apple had started their own GUI at the same
> : > time, if not before Xerox.... they simply used Xerox to show Jobs what it
> : > was capable of doing - or so I am told...
> :
> : Where do you get this from ?
> :
> : According to the words from Steve Jobs and Woz's own mouths - they were
> : absolutely *blown* away when they saw Xerox's GUI, and they dragged half of
> : the Apple engineers down to PARC soon after to see a GUI for the **first**
> : time.
> :
> : Suggesting that Apple engineers / programmers were already working on a GUI
> : *before* Xerox started working on theirs is simply utter bullshit.  According
> : to Cringeley's book and other books I have read, Xerox had the Alto built and
> : the GUI developed *before* Apple was even formed.
> :
> : Suggesting that Apple engineers / programmers were already working on a GUI
> : before Jobs became aware of the Xerox GUI is also simply utter bullshit.
> :
> : Get your facts straight !
> :
> : Mike O'Malley
> :
> :
> : > Scott R. Ehrlich (sehrlich@shore.net) wrote:
> : > : Let's not forget some basic facts from the past:
> : > :
> : > : - Mac got its GUI start from Xerox PARC, because Xerox could not market
> : > : their inventions (including the mouse)
> : > :
> : > : - Gates got his start from buying CP/M and modifying it into DOS for the
> : > : consumer market
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : At least Apple built their Apple II series computers (from scratch?).
> : > : Gates flat-out took what existed and modified it.
> : > :
> :
> :
> :
> :