Re: Help //c -> IIgs -> mac disk transfer

[supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer)]

"Cyril Lambin" <lambin@cohprog.com> wrote:

>Supertimer <supertimer@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cool!  Then you would LOVE the IIGS demos.  Many fooled around with
>> IIGS video by doing something similar. [...]
>> Now the IIGS has other video tricks such as fill mode.  You only need
>> to draw the outline of an object and in fill mode, the hardware fills in
>> the pixels.  Combine this with the 32-channel Ensoniq wavetable
>> synthesis chip humming a tune in the background and you'll have cool
>> demos.
>
>Can I find IIgs demos on some FTP? I must return it quickly and I'd like to
>watch some of them...

Yes you can.  The problem is that you need a program called
Shrinkit! GS (GSHK) for converting the .shk and .sdk (shrunk
archives and shrunk disks) back into real disks.  But if you have
a Mac, you can break the chicken and the egg paradox by
using the Mac to first get Shrinit! GS up and running.  Here's
how:

1) Get ProTYPE from the following site.

Read about it here:
http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/Mac/protype10.txt

Download it here:
ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/Mac/protype10.txt

2) Install ProTYPE

3) Get ShrinkIt! GS from the following site (ftp in binary mode
   or right click with a Windows browser or click and hold with
   a Mac browser and select download link/file).

http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/Comm/Utils/Shrinkitgs.v11/gshk11.1
http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/Comm/Utils/Shrinkitgs.v11/gshk11.2
http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/Comm/Utils/Shrinkitgs.v11/gshk11.3
http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/Comm/Utils/Shrinkitgs.v11/gshk11.4

4) Pass all four gshk file archive through ProTYPE onto a
   ProDOS or HFS disk (preferably HFS if you already installed
   it.  ProTYPE will extract a single file.

5) Take the ProDOS or HFS disk to the IIGS and double click
   on the .sea file's icon.

Now GS ShrinkIt! will self extract.  You can use the resulting
program to unpack all your .shk files.

Ok, the demos.  You can find them at the ground ftp server:

http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/

I've taken the liberty of searching for the exact URLs of
several demos so that you can more easily download them:

DeltaDemo is the coolest FTA demo.

ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/demos/fta.delta/DELTADEMO.SHK

(the above URL should be a single line.  If it has wraped
around, just staighten it out and put in the URL box of
Netscape. Use right click on Windows Netscape or click
and hold on Mac Netscape on the link and select "download
link" "save link" or "save file"...something like that.


Same for these URLs:

Bouncin Ferno is a cool demo/game from FTA.

http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/Games/Bouncin.ferno/Bouncin.Ferno

NoiseTracker is a cool demo/music program from FTA.

http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/Music/Applics/Old.files/Noisetr
acker/Noisetracker.v100/Nt1.0


MegaDemo is the coolest IIGS demo of them all.  From NinjaForce.
The following demo is a two disk set.:

http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/Games/MEGADEMO.D1.SDK

http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/Games/MEGADEMO.D2.SDK


>> Could be.  Since the IIGS cannot use the same software as Macs,
>> it can only use Mac keyboards that don't require a driver when
>> used on the Mac.  Thus, if the keyboard does not require a software
>> driver on the Mac, it'll work on the IIGS.  Usually.  Naturally, most
>> of Apple's keyboards work on both Mac and IIGS.
>
>I tried with an Apple keyboard, it worked perfectly. I'm amazed the work
>Apple engineer did, their perfectly compatible with all the old application
>even if they should not be handled the same way at all on the hardware
>level.

Pretty amazing, huh?  The IIGS was the first Apple computer to
use the Apple Desktop Bus (ADB).  Since then, all Macs have
used it until the iMac.  ADB has not changed, which is why ADB
devices still work on the IIGS.

Even the keyboards that don't work will work if the equivalent
IIGS driver were written.  Same goes for joysticks and other
input devices.

>> That's too bad (the IIc+ not being released in France).  It was the
>> best non-GS Apple II.
>
>I guessed it was... It's a pity because now you can find IIc's for 200f
>(about $35) but I already have two and what I need is only a 3.5" drive...
>^_^;
>
>BTW I could not download system 5.x nor system 6.x but I've got a System
>tooldisk (3.1) so I could copy all files from my old diskettes to less old
>ones... I could not mount those 800k ProDos disks on the Mac but ShrinkWrap
>recognize them so I made images of them, and I can mount the images... Phew.

Yup!  Those are DiskCopy images.  Problem with System 6.x under
a disk image is that you can only boot the System disk, which is not
a full install.  I suppose when you get Bernie (I assume that's the
emulator you are after since you have a Mac) up and running, you
should install everything to the hard drive volume so that you have
a full install of System 6.0.1.

Bernie is the best IIGS emulator, but not even it supports ALL the
hardware graphics modes of the IIGS, so better download those
demos and watch them while you still have the real thing (there is
currently no way to replicate the scan line synchronization of
multiple palette/resolution video modes of the IIGS on an emulator).