I am not sure what the direct lint is for the system software at Apple, but I do this far: http://til.info.apple.com/ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/Apple_II which came up "no such directory" while I can belive it. I imagine the is another Apple ftp route to download GS & other system stuff -- can anyone tell me where? thanks - louis