Re: Apple 2 Where/How much

[spec@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)]

In article supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer) writes...

>spec@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector) wrote:
>
>>    Here are the facts: The Apple IIgs itself is worth only a few
>>dollars. The standard peripherals designed for the Apple IIgs are
>>worth only a few dollars. Off the shelf hardware you can walk into
>>any store today and buy for you PC or Mac (that in some cases _do_
>>work on the GS with the right interfaces and software drivers) are
>>worth a fair bit of money. Let people draw their own conclusions
>>from those *facts* and forget about what either you or I have to
>>say, letting them use their own logic and common sense. Sound
>>reasonable?
>
>Here are the facts: the IIGS itself may be worth what,
>$25 on the average?  Maybe more maybe less depending
>on where you find it.  The standard 3.5" and 5.25" drives
>are available cheap.

    Right, so far.

>Rarer hardware like the SuperDrive
>controller and upgraded accelerators are worth quite a bit
>more.

    No arguement there (although I think we can both agree that
they're worth more when sold individually).

>So called "off the shelf hardware" is part of the IIGS
>setup if it is hooked up to the IIGS setup.

    That's correct, whatever hardware is connected to a IIgs is
considered part of the "setup".

>More facts: IIGS setups with SVGA monitors and laser
>printers and gigabyte or more SCSI hard drives do exist.
>However rare you think these setups are, they exist.

    No arguement again, they do exist and I never debated that.
Question: Do you currently know anyone selling the "setup" you
describe above, or better yet, know anyone who ever has?

>Final fact: due to the above facts, IIGS setups worth
>$300+ do exist.  You were wrong.  My pointing out
>this last fact does not mean I think the IIGS bare
>bones unit is worth $300+ (see fact one where I
>estimate the CPU to be worth).  However, that fact does
>not change this one.

    Okay -- If you sell an Apple IIgs with 17" display, a gigabyte
or two sized hardrive, laser printer, 300w stereo speakers and sub-
woofer, 56K (V.90) external modem, 40X CD-ROM external drive, IOmega
Zip drive, and other goodies, then that is *absolutely* fact. Yes,
this would be an Apple IIgs "setup", and most certainly would it be
worth $300+ (heck, if not several hundred dollars more).

    Replace the IIgs sitting amongst all those goodies with a box
of dusty rags: still worth $300+. Replace it with a VIC20 computer:
still worth $300+. Replace it with a potted house plant: yet still
worth $300+. Get my point? I've never disputed the type of setup
your selling is worth any less, I'm just telling you WHAT items
are bringing up the value. It is _not_ the Apple IIgs, it is the
components. *WHY DO YOU CARE* what people think an Apple IIgs is
worth? Why is it such a personal matter to you?

    Here's something to think about, I'm trying to purchase an
upgraded PC system, and in order to afford it, I've been trying
to sell some current components. The items I've put up for sale
include: full mid tower AT case, 32 MB of EDO memory, ASUS
Pentium motherboard, 166 MHz Pentium chip with expensive heatsink
and fan, S3 Trio (1 MB) PCI video card, 14" color VGA monitor,
Win95 keyboard, external 9600 baud FAX modem. Want to take a
guess how much this is all worth? Seriously, go ahead and guess,
you'd be very surprised how little (hint: well below "$300+").

    Listen, we both agree a stock IIgs is worth little, we both
agree rare items are worth more, and we BOTH agree modern PC/
Mac hardware are worth a fair bit. So WHAT is the whole debate
about? I think just that you CANNOT bring yourself to say the
Apple IIgs has little or no monetary worth. Stop side stepping
the issue, and stop pretending it automatically means the IIgs 
is a bad or worthless machine. Now, can we give this a rest?

Mitchell Spector
spec@vax2.concordia.ca