Re: Who is creating asimov/images/other_archives?

["bbaker4311@gmail.com" <bbaker4311@gmail.com>]

On Dec 14, 3:24 pm, "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:
> bill.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 14, 1:42 pm, "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>bill.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>On Dec 14, 8:17 am, dog_...@macgui.com (D Finnigan) wrote:
>
> >>>>Toinet wrote:
>
> >>>>>Just wondering. I've discovered plenty of interesting materials
> >>>>>there...
> >>>>>antoine
>
> >>>>>http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/images/other_archives/
>
> >>>>I've been contributing to it, mostly from the Vault mirrors collection,
> >>>>which currently is not publicly accessible.
>
> >>>>(As you may recall from a few months ago, when I was distributing a mirror
> >>>>of whatisthe2gs.)
>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Mac GUI Vault - A source for retroApple IIand
> >>>>Macintosh computing.http://macgui.com/vault/
>
> >>>Looks like someone took it upon themselves just to copy everyone's
> >>>websites without asking the website owners again.
>
> >>Kind of like how thewayback machinecopies websites...
>
> >>Although I think I understand your desire for the courtesy of
> >>being asked, the web is actually all about copying.  Every visit
> >>to a page gets a copy of that page, which can be saved.
>
> >>This isn't a case of putting up uncredited, fiddled mirrors.  This
> >>is about putting up dated archives of credited sites.  There can never
> >>be any confusion of these archives with the live, current site.
>
> >>Given the capricious way that web sites come and go, I can see the
> >>value in preserving multiple archives of the most useful sites.
>
> >>...and courtesy is also a good thing.  ;-)
>
> >>-michael
>
> >>NadaNet 3.1 forApple IIparallel computing!
> >>Home page:  http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/
>
> >>"The wastebasket is our most important design
> >>tool--and it's seriously underused."
>
> > I find little value in it since our web sites have been up for 10
> > years with a total of about 12 hours downtime over that time frame.
> > Also, just because it is on the web, doesnt mean the websites are not
> > copyrighted or that the website owners dont want their sites copied.
> > Unfortunately, there are a few people out there who dont respect the
> > work that others have put into these sites, which is one reason, I am
> > reluctant these days to put out anything more.  Courtesy is a big
> > thing and this kind of blatant copying just goes back to the way
> > things were in the late 1990's when there was nothing but in fighting.
>
> I see your point, Bill.  Do you see mine?
>
> I would hate to think that a primary motivation for your efforts
> in making software and documents available is to exercise control
> over them.  (And, yes, I do understand that some of your suppliers
> may feel the need for such control.  ;-)
>
> Copying software that is producing income for its author is quite
> a different thing from archiving a web site.  As is copying software
> that is not producing income for anyone, and hasn't for years.
>
> Copyright to safeguard an income stream for a reasonable period of
> time serves a useful purpose.  Copyright simply to exercise control
> over the availability of material seems much more suspect.
>
> The only benefit I can see to retaining such control is that it
> makes "version control" easier when updates occur.  Keeping date
> and version information "on the label" goes a long way to keeping
> this from being a problem.
>
> If Wikileaks teaches us anything, it is that information that can
> be copied *cannot* be controlled.
>
> -michael
>
> NadaNet 3.1 forApple IIparallel computing!
> Home page:  http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/
>
> "The wastebasket is our most important design
> tool--and it's seriously underused."

Thank you Mike for such a reasoned response.

Bruce Baker