Re: Who is creating asimov/images/other_archives?

["bill.martens@gmail.com" <bill.martens@gmail.com>]

On Dec 15, 6:24 am, "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:
> bill.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 14, 1:42 pm, "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>bill.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>On Dec 14, 8:17 am, dog_...@macgui.com (D Finnigan) wrote:
>
> >>>>Toinet wrote:
>
> >>>>>Just wondering. I've discovered plenty of interesting materials
> >>>>>there...
> >>>>>antoine
>
> >>>>>http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/images/other_archives/
>
> >>>>I've been contributing to it, mostly from the Vault mirrors collection,
> >>>>which currently is not publicly accessible.
>
> >>>>(As you may recall from a few months ago, when I was distributing a mirror
> >>>>of whatisthe2gs.)
>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Mac GUI Vault - A source for retro Apple II and
> >>>>Macintosh computing.http://macgui.com/vault/
>
> >>>Looks like someone took it upon themselves just to copy everyone's
> >>>websites without asking the website owners again.
>
> >>Kind of like how the wayback machine copies websites...
>
> >>Although I think I understand your desire for the courtesy of
> >>being asked, the web is actually all about copying.  Every visit
> >>to a page gets a copy of that page, which can be saved.
>
> >>This isn't a case of putting up uncredited, fiddled mirrors.  This
> >>is about putting up dated archives of credited sites.  There can never
> >>be any confusion of these archives with the live, current site.
>
> >>Given the capricious way that web sites come and go, I can see the
> >>value in preserving multiple archives of the most useful sites.
>
> >>...and courtesy is also a good thing.  ;-)
>
> >>-michael
>
> >>NadaNet 3.1 for Apple II parallel computing!
> >>Home page:  http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/
>
> >>"The wastebasket is our most important design
> >>tool--and it's seriously underused."
>
> > I find little value in it since our web sites have been up for 10
> > years with a total of about 12 hours downtime over that time frame.
> > Also, just because it is on the web, doesnt mean the websites are not
> > copyrighted or that the website owners dont want their sites copied.
> > Unfortunately, there are a few people out there who dont respect the
> > work that others have put into these sites, which is one reason, I am
> > reluctant these days to put out anything more.  Courtesy is a big
> > thing and this kind of blatant copying just goes back to the way
> > things were in the late 1990's when there was nothing but in fighting.
>
> I see your point, Bill.  Do you see mine?
>
> I would hate to think that a primary motivation for your efforts
> in making software and documents available is to exercise control
> over them.  (And, yes, I do understand that some of your suppliers
> may feel the need for such control.  ;-)
>
> Copying software that is producing income for its author is quite
> a different thing from archiving a web site.  As is copying software
> that is not producing income for anyone, and hasn't for years.
>
> Copyright to safeguard an income stream for a reasonable period of
> time serves a useful purpose.  Copyright simply to exercise control
> over the availability of material seems much more suspect.
>
> The only benefit I can see to retaining such control is that it
> makes "version control" easier when updates occur.  Keeping date
> and version information "on the label" goes a long way to keeping
> this from being a problem.
>
> If Wikileaks teaches us anything, it is that information that can
> be copied *cannot* be controlled.
>
> -michael
>
> NadaNet 3.1 for Apple II parallel computing!
> Home page:  http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/
>
> "The wastebasket is our most important design
> tool--and it's seriously underused."

Obviously terms of usage and website copyrights cover that.   And
since most of us use the website and arbitrarily agree to the terms of
usage which on most sites is no downloading other than for personal
use and no re-distribution of the information without permission.