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Re: Dealing with A2 Forum on Delphi
Cturley2 (cturley2@aol.com) wrote:
: Per fair use quotes to relate matters
: I present the following for all CSA2
: readers to review.
: The following post is made in 40 col.
: for the benefit of Apple II users.
: Concerning the very first and more than
: likely the very last post I ever intend
: making to the A2 forum on Delphi....
: Per this copy - that follows, I present
: for all to read and comment on my original
: Delphi A2 forum post, followed by a reply
: from Richard Bennett and my reply to him
: concerning it all.
: -----------------------------------------
: Copy of my original post to the A2 Forum
: on Delphi.....that seems to have started all of
: this!
: From: cturley (CTURLEY) To: Tony W.
: (TONYW1) 4 of 12 Posted: 8/14/98 3:44
: PM Reply to: 14520
: Concerning newly reclassified software
: for the Apple II community, please be
: advised I'm in the process now of
: archiving as both ShrinkIt 5.25 disk
: archives and emulator disk images the
: following (formally commercial and now
: freeware Apple II games and their
: utility titles);
: Star Crystal
: Origins XI
: Space
: Space II
: Traveller
: Beastiary
: Trader
: Word Gen
: These original disks were sent to me by
: mail from Paul Sanders. Paul arranged
: to have them reclassified as freeware
: from the author/copyrght holder.
: Paul is working on the text file
: documentation for them now and will
: send those on to me in the next few
: days for inclusion in the archives and
: disk images.
: Willie Yeo should also be in contact
: with Paul Sanders for the authorization
: email concerning their
: reclassification. I'm sure he will want
: it before making this information
: available from his web site. I already
: have the email authorization on the
: reclassification and will be including
: it with the disk archives and emulator
: disk images.
: When this is finished, I'll be
: uploading both archives and disk images
: to the proper Apple II ftp sites for
: their access and download.
: Cheers,
: Charles Turley
: ________________________________________
: The reply to it from Richard Bennett
: with my reply to him on it all follows.....
: Richard you replied exactly as I
: predicted you'd reply: "Firstly, don't
: you think you should wait for Willie to
: officially receive the authorisation
: before announcing it as being
: reclassified?"
: I reply, No...Willie Yeo can do whatever
: he likes with the titles by
: 'officially' stating that they are
: reclassified or not stating such. What
: Williw Yeo does or does not do is no
: concern of mine with these efforts.
: Willie Yeo has made it very clear to
: all that he is not involved with any of
: my reclassification efforts or
: activities. Nor do I intend to wait in
: anouncing my efforts with legally
: reclassified Apple II software, until
: Willie Yeo makes it 'Official' from his
: web site and pages.
: I received the original disks by US
: Priority mail parcel from Paul Sanders
: who was the person responsible for the
: reclassification efforts with the
: titles being reclassified from
: commercial status to freeware status,
: in the first place - along with a
: reclassification notice and email copy
: that they are freeware from the
: copyright holder of the programs. That
: email copy will be included with the
: archives and disk images also.
: I've made both ShrinkIt archives of them
: all - as well as disk images for use
: with REAL Apple II computers and for
: use with Apple II emulators. I've also
: received the complete and official
: documentation for them all from Paul
: Sanders, which he typed up as text
: files from the originals for the
: program titles and sent it to me by
: email for inclusion with the freeware
: release bundle.
: If and when Willie Yeo has all of this -
: as I have for my efforts with making
: the freeware bundle releases, he
: certainly is completely free to
: acknowledge it as a legal freeware
: release and reclassification or not -
: when as as he elects to!
: Richard I could care less what you think
: I should do. I never have and most
: likely I never will. I received them,
: I archived them as noted above and I'm
: releasing them in this bundle fashion,
: legally with the author/copyright holders
: consent and knowledge. I've made the
: announcement as such on Delphi and on
: CSA2 to that effect.
: Richard Bennett goes on with:
: "In the past, most things you seem to
: release end up not be reclassified at
: all, and usually still copyright."
: And to this I reply: That's not an
: accurate or correct statement at all
: and you know it. Prove otherwise with
: titles, facts and details to
: substanciate your above claim.
: Richard Bennett continues with:
: "Until I hear otherwise, I will ignore
: your post and treat it as rumour."
: I reply: certainly that's entirely up to
: you. I'd be shocked if you ever thought
: otherwise. :)
: Note - my original post has the > before
: it's content following. Richard Bennett
: goes on as noted in "Quote":
:
: "Secondly:"
: �> I'll be uploading both archives and
: disk images to the proper Apple II ftp
: "What are the "proper" sites? My guess
: is the two main pirate sites, Asimov
: and Ground. And why don't you leave the
: uploading to Willie if he's the one
: dealing with the reclassification?
: Please do not post this sort of
: hogwash again. Take it to csa2.
: Richard."
: I reply:
: You certainly are free to call a site
: however you care to call it. Your
: classifications of a site however,
: mean nothing to me.
: I wasn't aware Willie Yeo had them to
: upload or that he was involved in the
: reclassification of the titles I'm
: currently bundling for ShrinkIt archive
: and disk image archive freeware
: reclassification releases and uploads.
: If he is - then let him do it. To the
: best of my knowledge Wille Yeo doesn't
: have the disks, the text documentation
: for the disk titles nor has he the
: archives of them as I've outlined I've
: made above.
: You can call it hogwash if you like.
: I'll post what I consider valid and
: useful information as I see fit, not as
: yu see fit. I don't tell you what to
: post - so don't tell me what to post.
: As to taking it to CSA2, I've already
: done just that. Perhaps You'd like to
: go read it for yourself and make your
: standard reply as you usualy do to CSA2
: posts.
: I might add that most all of your other
: comments concerning me on your maintained
: parody web site and to the public by
: other public posts are inaccurate in 99% of
: their content. At least you are consistant.
: Cheers,
: Tom
: PS: Copy posted to CSA2 in the event this
: reply doesn't make it to Delphi.
: Adding to this another reply post I just
: made to the A2 Delphi forum that follows:
: ----------------------------------------
: Message 15187 Previous From: cturley
: (CTURLEY) To: (RICHARD_B)
: 8/18/98 6:20 PM Reply to:
: Richard, You posted this: "As for my
: post here to Mr Turley, he has
: frequently posted that products such as
: The Manager and Medley etc. have been
: placed in the public domain by their
: copyright owners, and is usually
: wrong."
: I reply again you are not being accurate
: in your post content. I NEVER declared
: either The Manager or Medley were
: public domain.
: I challenge you to prove otherwise!
: Concerning Medley, I went to a great
: deal of effort and personal expense to
: have Medley legally reclassified as a
: freeware and anybody within the Apple
: II commmunity knows full well that I
: did. Ask Wille Yeo all about it - he
: knows. You oviously don't.
: Concerning The Manager - never have I
: stated that it was public domain. I did
: state that 'The Manager v1.5 - French
: version ' was a freeware and it is
: (anywhere outside of North America and
: Canada). Earl Childers corrected my
: error on that, I acknowledged my error
: and made the proper correction to that
: mistake - end of story!
: You, Mr. Bennett have no connection with
: The Manager and as such it was not your
: place to call me on it as you so rudely
: did on CSA2. It was Seven Hills place
: to call my error. They did, I made an
: appoligy for that error with a public
: post, corrected my error and that's
: that!
: --------------------------------------
: Adding to this a public post from
: Sheppy to the A2 Forum on Delphi, I just
: received notice of that follows;
: --------------------------------------
: Tom, take this somewhere else. I left
: comp.sys.apple2 because of nonsense
: like the last two posts (from a wide
: number of people). High in wordage, low
: in real content, and generally
: accusatory and defensive.
: I think this message (mine) and the two
: before it should both be deleted.
: Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd
: ---------------------------------------
: I told Sheppy that's exactly what I'd
: do. I'm taking it here to CSA2. So here
: it is.
: I trust the CSA2 readers can digest all
: this with some sort of logical
: following.
:
: ----------------------------------------
: For what it's worth...here's another
: valuable and very useful A2 Forum on
: Delphi - a posted jewel from Sheppy for all
: CSA2 readers to ponder over!
: ----------------------------------------
: re energy to keep producing...
: For the first time ever, I'll publicly
: state Sheppy's First Theory of
: Productivity:
: P = (t*I*E)/(f^2)
: P: Production rate (time/item done)
: t: Time available for work (time)
: I: Personal interest
: E: Public enthusiasm (measured in items;
: actually # of positive comments
: received)
: f: Flames received (measured in items)
: This formula states that while time,
: personal interest, and public
: enthusiasm cause a linear increase in
: the amount of work done, negative input
: and flames cause a decrease in work
: accomplished by the inverse square
: rule.
: Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd
: --------------------------------------
: In a A2 Forum on Delphi chat room
: discussion I had with Sheppy a few days
: ago concerning what he plans to do with
: any updates for Wolf 3D for the IIgs, I
: politely asked him: "what updates do you have
: planned for Wolf 3D for the IIgs."
: He replied and stated clearly in so
: many words to this effect...'I plan to
: do nothing more with the program,
: because of comments about it posted to
: CSA2, that I didn't like.'
: --------------------------------------
: Having to post this to CSA2 for all of
: you to read and comment on may seem to
: you to be of little value. I consider
: it of great value to show the rudeness
: and character I alway encounter on the
: A2 Forum on Delphi. I've had serious
: discussions with many others that are
: regular posters to CSA2 and who often
: visit the A2 Forum on Delphi about the
: nature of content, comments and such we
: are subjected to on the A2 Forum on
: Delphi by other members there such as
: Richard Bennett. I see no need or value
: to ever make a post to the A2 Forum on
: Delphi again. They express clearly that
: they consider this newsgroup to be of
: no value to the real needs of the Apple
: II community or its developers.
: I DO consider it to be of great value to
: the real needs of the Apple II
: community or its developers.
: So this is where I'll make all my posts
: of information with Apple II related
: matters from now on. But, certainly not
: on the A2 forum of Delphi. I DO NOT
: want to start any sort of flamewar here
: or on Delphi, nor will I become
: involved in such. I strongy suggest
: nobody else start a flamewar here or on
: Delphi either! I simply wanted the
: readers of this newsgroup to be made
: aware of what they can expect if they
: decide to visit the A2 Forum on Delphi
: to express there side of anything.
: Cheers,
: Tom
: -end of file-
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