Re: OS For IIGS

[!smentzer@pacbell.net (Steve Mentzer)]

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>Oh, so what you are saying is that you can set up a 'toy' NT box...
>
>I thought you were talking about seeing up a real NT box.


Hmmmm... Thats kind of funny, since 125 of my users seem to regard the "toy" as 
a highly productive, stable and intuitive business environment. I guess you 
kind of need to know what you are doing...


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>Office97?
>
>hahahahaha, you and Mr. Clippy probably sleep together too don'tcha?


Gee, that was sure relavent....



>Nope, this was actually a HTML document and there was no process
>holding the file, nothing I could find at all.


Gee, did you manage to check the "server manager". Its that neato program in 
"Administrative Tools" and check to see which files are in use, and which users 
are using them? Propably not... Since it was an HTML document, and you are 
propably running IIS 2/3, did you stop the IIS services one by one, and restart 
them? Propably not..



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>No babbling, I know my machines and I know my OSes.
>


Doesn't sound like it. You sound more like a typical unix guru who is too 
brainwashed to see that a mainstream OS like NT can exist in a small-medium 
sized (under 1000 users) corporate environment.


>You, obviously, have the brand of M$ on your forehead and can't see
>the opinions of others as valid when they slam your leader or chosen
>religion.
>


Actually, FWIW, I hate microsoft. They just happen to have an OS (WinNT) that 
suits the needs of my users, which retaining low administration costs and 
providing backwards compatibility with existing DOS/Win3.1 apps. Not to 
mention that they have one of the best compilers for Win32 development 
(MSVC5.0). As a developer, COM/DCOM technology helps me tremendously, 
regardless of how much I dislike MS. It is called "smart business". You aughta 
try it sometime.



>:>
>:>UNIX - the choice of a clue-ful generation...
>
>
>: UNIX - The choice OS for a generation of unix hackers and gurus who cannot 
see 
>: the benefit of using a mainstream consumer driven OS in the workplace 
because 
>: they are so afraid of losing their beloved "job security".
>
>Really?
>
>Wow, some of us actually operate NT servers as well.
>
>Let me guess, you are one of those people who *must* be able to click
>a button in a wizard to make things work.
>


No, actually I *develop* software for distributed computing under windows NT 
using MSMQ, MTS, SQL etc etc etc. Unlike you, I see both the merits of NT and 
Unix, I just hate when unix folk slam an OS that they cant see an application 
for because they are so blinded by ignorance.


>Editors?  No, if it ain't Word, you can't do it.


Actually, I prefer QEdit for DOS.



>WTF is notepad?
>
>vi?  go away..


pico, emacs, vi.... yeah yeah yeah... ksh, csh, awk, grep, cron blah blah 
blah..  I may not be a unix guru, but I can get around just fine in it. 


>
>: I will give you one thing. Unix is far more stable than NT will EVER be. But 
>: you cannot go to the store and pick up Office97 for unix. And not every 
>: employee has Unix at home. Face it, the workplace is consumer driven, 
>: regardless of what your preference is. NT is the best of both worlds. It is 
>: rock solid, and it runs the great productivity software that my users need 
to 
>: function on a daily basis. With NT my users can work. With Unix, they can 
work, 
>: and I have to pay 2 unix gurus $100k a year to maintain an aging (and 
>: increasingly incompatible) network OS.
>
>Why would I want Office97?


Because everyone and their mother uses it. Not to mention the fact that it is 
pre-installed on just about every PC you buy these days. Users having a common 
environment to work in is a PLUS, regardless of the size of the product.


>
>It is a bloated piece of shit.
>


Granted, that is true. But the users know it and like it. That is what matters 
in a corporate environment.



>How many other word processors do you know of that are 13MB in side
>*before* you count DLLs?


Not many... How many word processors do you know of that are pre-installed in 
most PC's purchased these days.


>
>FrameMaker - whole install is about 30MB including a buttload of
>fonts, samples, and documentation.


Yep.... And how does the average joe home PC buyer use this product?


>
>You luser, you don't belong in this newsgroup...


Gee, for being a luser, I sure do know quite a bit about the old "right tool 
for the right job" addage. Too bad you dont.


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