Re: Tom Turley: Banned from Attending K-Fest '97

["Charles T. 'Dr. Tom' Turley" <cturley@grin.net>]

pubpc1@library.ucla.edu wrote:

 >Following this newsgroup for the past year, here is what I've
 >observed.  Joe Kohn has a dislike for Dr. Tom because he believes
 >that he got ripped off by him.  I don't blame Kohn at all.

cturley@grin.net responds: 
Scott Gamon, Scott G., pubpc1@library.ucla.edu or whoever you really 
are...You do not know the real stories about the long and twisted 
relationship between Joe Kohn and myself, from 1986 to date. You simply 
do not know any of the real facts about our relationship and our mutual 
antics of past. But, eventually you will. I'll be presenting it all at 
TurleyFest-97.

IMHO, I blame Kohn very much. I haven't ripped Joe Kohn off for 
anything. Bare your books Joe Kohn, show everybody how much money I've 
caused you to loose. Itemize it, one, two, three, show us all your 
proof, show me and the readers of this newsgroup the list of every 
persons name you lost money from as a result of me. If anybody has 
ripped anybody off it's Joe Kohn ripping off the Apple II community with 
his efforts to make a fast buck under the table - to pay for his next 
'Who' concert.

IMHO, He rants to the public on a worldwide scale about loosing tons of 
sales and profits and sales and more profits and more sales, whinning 
and moaning that I'm persecuting his every effort with my acts of piracy 
- on old software that nobody wants to buy anyway - then blaming me when 
he can't sell it. The man is sicker in the head than you could possibly 
imagine. He's consumed with hate and false pride. He's a hipacrite, a 
two faced con-artist that hypes people into following and praising his 
every thought word and deed - as being beneficial and rightous to the 
needs and over all useful values of the Apple II community. 

IMHO, Joe Kohn is nothing more than a two-bit crooked, bungeling 
west-coast-promoman, that's now caught in his own droppings and doesn't 
like the smell he's generated.

If you think I'm being driven on with some form of vindictive drive,
your DEAD wrong.  I simply want to show the public what Joe Kohn really 
is all about.  He's posted to Genie and this newsgroup that his 
Shareware Solutions II worldwide subscriptions have reached over 1000. 
Some people say he even claims up to 10,000 circulation of SSII.  When 
in fact, I know from Joe Kohn telling me personally over a telephone 
conversation - last year, that he THEN had less than 250 worldwide payed 
subscriptions and the 1000 number was simply business hype to get more 
people to subscribe to SSII.

That's the oldest business trick in the book. But, AGAIN (IMHO) - his 
doing this simply causes him to have more cancelations, non-renewals, 
etc. of SSII, less software sales with what he has to offer and it will 
eventually destroy the motivations of others like; TAB, Juiced GS, AW 
Gazette, etc. to continue their efforts, fearing falsely that SSII 
simply has the entire newsletter market covered.  

SSII, is passed on to me with every issue released (in their original 
form also). I've watched it degrade in quality and content over the past 
years now - to the point that it has very little in creative value to 
offer me, with anything new or interesting - that I haven't already know 
of for ages anyway.  This is only my personal opinion - mind you, others 
seem to find value in the content and merit of composition. To each his 
own.  If I had to pick one or two to subscribe to myself; TAB and Juiced 
GS are my picks. 

Again (IMHO) concerning Joe Kohn, he's a paranoid, deceitful, liar, 
scheming, software - shister that has made it his life-long ambition to 
spread as much vindictive gossip, to as many people that he can, who 
will listen to him, when it fits his own self-centered needs.  

IMHO, He claims to have a love and a passion for the Apple II computer 
and its users, when in fact he has one interest and one interest only - 
HOW MANY pennies he can shove in his pants before they fall off.  How 
much milk he can get from the tit of the Apple II community, without 
returning anything to compensate for his nursing efforts.  Not even 
genuine acts of love are given back. If you don't pay you don't get - 
that's the way Joe Kohn thinks, works and acts - with respect to 
everything he does.

FACT: He told me all his efforts are pure business and nothing else.  He 
works 9 to 5 and after that, he doesn't want to be bothered by me or 
anybody else. He also told me there was no love or magic or passion left 
with anything he did for the Apple II computer users.  He said he was 
very sorry that he didn't take the offer to go with the new directions 
of the publication A+ Insider, and start over on the Mac platform to 
support it, write for it and continue with the publication efforts - 
when it was offered to him.  He said that he was stupid to have stayed 
with the Apple II efforts, that he had nothing to show for his years of 
efforts and was going broke if he didn't find some other form of income 
to generate a lively hood from. Hey, I feel sorry for him!  But, I also 
laugh at his many public and private efforts to destroy me and my Apple 
II efforts, because he hasn't been as successful now as he was in the 
past.

Joko defensively goes on with this little diddee:

"There's no need to single me out, as I'm not the only one to be lied 
to, harassed and ripped-off. I'm just one of many. Just ask _any_ Apple 
II developer, programmer or company owner. They all have a story or 
three...

One of those stories can be read at:

http://www.cyberstation.fr/~zardini


cturley@grin.net responds to this: Look carefully at the above 
comments...from joko.  Never does he relate any of it to me (Charles T. 
'Dr. Tom' Turley) - Yet, he's implying it towards a relationship between 
me and them....using - only a generality that Apple II developers, 
programmers And company owners are lied to harrassed and ripped-off.


I'm sure they are...BUT, NOT BY ME!  Unfortunately, (REALITY CHECK) 
that's the way things work in the commercial and business world of 
software on any platform - these days. It's dog-eat-dog and may the best 
promotional effort win, (not even may the best program win) - type of 
world out there. Sad but, true!

Joe Kohn wants to single me out and point the finger at me, playing his 
charmed little golden flute as the sheep dance and baagh behind him. He 
wants to convience every human being in the A2 community that I'm only 
out to destroy it. 

IMHO, Joe Kohn is a vindictive little street thug - using his native 
Bronx style of gang-land street tricks and minipulation over the arms 
offered from the Internet - to try and fool the masses into accepting 
his word as the undisputed truth - with everything he related to anybody 
about anything. Well, think about this for a while Joe Kohn.  Most of 
the people that get your email - warning them not to associate with 
Charles Turley, or they will loose all support and respect from the 
entire A2 community, have simply taken to laughing over that email from 
you now and wondering what in the world makes you do such crap.
     
FACT: I've never tried to make one penny of profit from the Apple II 
community from the end of 1992 to date for myself.  I'm not in it for 
profit of any form.  I'm in it for the freedom and enjoyment of giving, 
helping and sharing. I do support all commercial efforts for the Apple 
II community. A half-dozen or so clever set-ups to discredit my real 
motivations just have not worked; not with the OmniPaint or Spectrum 
beta uploaded to the Net by somebody (Ian Schmidt??? or the multiple 
personages of Stroker Ace) (back in 1993, when I didn't even know what 
the Internet was or how to access it myself) and then blaming it on me, 
not with the 3200 Convert (extra period) incident, not with the 3200 
src. code - LemminGS uploads by others from my old wco.com account, not 
with the fake emails sent to others from myu old wco.com acct.  not with 
the fake sick and vulgar CSA2 usenet posts sent from my old wco.com 
acct., not with silly (and fairly cute) Turleynator perl script, not 
with the rants, twisted misinformation and lies collective in the Turkey 
pages and folder, not with the Zardini page of dribble and warped 
gossip.  

Can't you folks get it????  That stuff doesn't harm me,  it harms you.  
I find it pitiful and amusing in its own sic little way.  It all kind of 
reminds me of a really dumb, sick and twisted version of some late night 
talk show, riddled with lies, misinformation and deceptions to get high 
ratings for the network.

IMHO, well, it just will not work Joe Kohn. Oh, maybe a few dozen 
gulible people will listen to you, believe you and follow you along, 
till the bitter end. But, if you continue as you have been with all 
these mass minipulative tricks and twisted antics ans such, like you 
have been now for the past several years, you are only hurting you and 
the general Apple II community with your fanatical gossip, political 
ploy and schemes against my continued presents and sincere, useful 
efforts in the Apple II community and for the future needs of the Apple 
II community. I'm not about to give up and crawl away in shame, because 
of you, what you project, say, etc.  If you are really serious about it 
all then we can learn to exist together within the Apple II community
and be productive and helpful in our own manner and style.

The Zardini web page about me is just a pile of pitiful fanatical rants 
and misingformation, based on nothing factual,a collective of poor 
phychoanalysis efforts about me, my style with everything and so on and 
such, simply a silly misguided collective of sick humor, ignorant rants 
and rancid misunderstandings, with flames of hate - fanned and feed by 
Joe Kohn and his faithful flock of followers.

IMHO, Joe Kohn - you're such a master of twisting the story to fit your 
own needs and desires - just like; Nathan Mates, Ian Schmidt, Stroker 
Ace and the other some odd dozen ranters, would-be Apple II fanatical 
mini-politicians, egoheads, hypercritical-perfectionist 'Turley-haters' 
and the like, I really thing you should all use your collective talents 
and join together - form a production company or some creative venture 
to write scripts and screen plays for the BIG CHEESES in Hollywood and 
New York.  You'd all get RICH REAL FAST.

I wish EVERYBODY well - may we all live long and prosper with all our 
efforts for the good of the Apple II community and its needs.  Perhaps 
some day we can actually learn to care for each other - with some real 
sincerity, learn to understand others that have the need to be accepted 
and be a part of something, rather than protraying them to the public as 
the black sheep of the flock, laughed at, humiliated in public and 
gossiped about in both private and public - until those that hear it all 
actually start to believe it as the gospel truth - without question or 
doubt, learning to HATE people for no reason other than what somebody 
else said about them - without any facts or first-handed experience to 
justify such hate towards a person.  Hate is an evil quality and seems 
to simply generate more hate as it continues to circulate. Hate is 
something I really don't want to be involved with, in any respect.

I have absolutely no intention now - of attending or visiting the hate 
filled event know as KansasFest-97, in any manner what-so-ever. Not 
because I'm banned or not welcomed or scared of the violence I might 
encounter or whatever you want to call it???  But, because I have other 
more enjoyable events to attend on the same dates. I love GOOD music and 
GOOD people that like to share the experience of togetherness, mutual 
respect and enjoyment with each other and for each other. Raggae on the 
River-97, being held on Aug. 1 thru 3, 1997, is where I'll be enjoying 
myself. 

Then on to 'TurleyFest-97', Aug, 8, thru 10, 1997 - a free gathering of 
Apple II ONLY, users, developers, hardware and software guru's, living 
legends, fanatics and devotees - presenting lively humor and good times 
with Q & A sessions, debates, presentations, in a friendly atmosphere, 
non-hyped and happy non-commercial environment, for three days; Friday, 
Saturday and Sunday. Everybody is welcome to attend.  Nobody will be 
banned and all are welcome.  Here's you chance to meet and mingle with 
them all, including Dr. Tom in person, face-to-face.

I'm completely serious about this!  More on all this and that later.... 
look for details of this astounding Apple II gathering and historical 
event, with information, location, host, maps, list of events - list of 
confirmed attendees with its own web page listing location, 
accomidations and all else related to the 'TurleyFest-97' three day 
Apple II meeting and events. 

Information released as fast as it becomes available and confirmed. 
All those interested in attending TurleyFest-97, send your email NOW!!!

Mailto: cturley@grin.net

I look forward to any email reply from everybody that really has a 
serious interest in this or is considering attending TurleyFest-97.

Cheers,
Tom