Re: irc -appleiigs

[belgo@berg.org (Chris Shepherd)]

Toby Reiter (str4552@OBERLIN.EDU) wrote:
: Bullshit! Nathan Mates and others are constantly giving people crap for 
: coming into c.s.a2 and posting mac questions. Doesn't it seem 
: hypocritical that #appleiigs attacks people who ask Apple II questions?

You're really not getting this are you? The channel name is #appleiigs.
We're not trying to overrun the Apple II community, because by and large
we don't care about it. I don't claim to have any stake at all in your
so-called 'gs community', in fact I don't even own a GS. You and your
German friend would do well do can the insults which have flowed so freely
from your lips, and realize this fact. Note that I haven't insulted you
at all. Pot? Kettle? Black?

: I get my mandate from an overwhelming sentiment in the Apple II community 
: that we need to support the forums for discussion of this platform and 
: welcome new users with friendly and helpful advice. (I assume I have 
: back-up on this, right folks?)

Your mandate doesn't mean jack to us. Just because our channel name has
'Apple II' in it doesn't make us obligated to you or anyone else.  Get it?
We have nothing to do with comp.sys.apple2, the Apple II community, or
you. Granted, a shrinking minority of our membership still does, but the
channel writ large does not. The more you press this issue, the less
progress you will make.

: Sure, except that you should be willing to work off the other person's 
: base knowledge. The problem with #appleiigs is not that you guys have to 
: keep answering people's annoying questions, but instead that you scare, 
: either intentionally or not, many people who could come into the channel 
: and help create a community of new users and old-time (read at or above 
: your level) users.  You wouldn't have to worry about answering "annoying" 
: questions, and we wouldn't have to worry about your elitist attitudes. 

: > As I point out an overriding theme: 
: > : One thing I had noticed about some of the names I remember from #appleiigs 
: > : is that they were Objectivists.  Now, I don't mean to imply anything about 
: > : Ayn Rand, but it seems to me that Objectivists on the whole--because they 
: > : embrace an idealogy in which self-interest is glorified and in which all 
: > : interactions between humans are seen as the result of self-service--tend to 
: > : not be sympathetic to the conditions of others.  They tend to accept "Get a 
: > : life!", "You're and idiot!" and "Why didn't you read the f**king Technical 
: > : Manual?" as logical appropriate statements. 

Ask Jawaid Bazyar if he's devoted to Ayn Rand and Objectivism. He'll tell
you he is. I myself have a passing familiarity with Ayn Rand's body of
works and incorporate only a few tenets of the Objectivist philosophy into
my daily life. Your argument that Objectivism equals elitism, therefore,
fails, because you made it without thinking, or investigation.

: Hmmm, last time I checked, helping others meant you would be well 
: respected and would be helped later in return (I am only nineteen, but I 
: have ample experience to tell me this true). Not helping others meant that 
: you were an asshole.

I'm under no obligation to help you. I'm 19 also, if it matters, and it
doesn't. I'm a network engineer in Chicago. Does helping you mean I should
provide services to you free of charge, at the risk of being called an
asshole? Get lost.

: I look at people like you and think "Boy I hope there's a God."

: Lookin' forward to sendin' ya email in hell!
: I'm Jewish, think Homosexuality is natural, approve of abortion and 
: euthanasia. Eat your heart out Objectivist freaks!

Yawn. I'm an atheist, and I make fun of Randroids also. I'm also a shiksa,
if it matters, and again it doesn't.

I've refrained from name-calling and insults in both of my two posts. I
have no doubts that you are unable to show the same restraint, according
to your past performance. Really, who is being childish?

-Chris