Re: I am a Bad Boy (was What new with 1WsW)

[rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)]

Kid (neiderma@er5.rutgers.edu) wrote:
[in interests of readability and bandwidth, read the original articles
if you need to know more.]
: Of course it's all my fault.  Apple can't be at fault for screwing
: the entire II community over and over, making it more lucrative to
: program on something else.  Pirates can't be at fault for passing around
: copies of great programs, netting coders 1/2 maybe 1/4 of the money
: they deserve.  The "Big Media" can't be at fault for ignoring the
: contribution of the II in the past or it's present or future

Apple has done alot to support the Apple II despite everyone
complaining all the time.  What other computer has had system software
released that will run on it when the computer was over 6 years old?
Not many.

I do agree that pirating probably was a big influence to the fall of
the AppleII.

HOWEVER, I was refering to recent trends of people jumping ship, not
why the Apple II is an orphan machine.

: viability and usefulness.  It's my fault that over-anxious programmers
: brag about "look what I can do, I heard an S3M, you didn't!" and then
: get touchy when someone _dares_ to ask about a release.  All you
: had to say (or Ian) was "it's coming up, we got this stuff under control".
: But you didn't.  And it's all my fault.

Is there something so inherently wrong with Ian bragging and giving a
hint of what GS users might have in store for them in the future??  I
wouldn't had one problem with your post if you had said "Are you
planning on releasing this software anytime soon?"

However, instead you said (with obvious sarcasm) "How about you
release this program, genius" (not an exact quote, but close enough).
It implied to me that you felt he was under some obligation to release
it.  And that you were doubting his statement, and required proof in
the form of a release.  I found those implications offensive.  Watch
what you say in the future, and you'll get flamed much less often.

: You would not necessarily want advertising for something that hasn't
: been released yet (there's enough vaporware in the world).  But you
: would when the release comes.  Who is more likely to get talked-up
: positively about a great piece of programming? Jawaid Bazyar, who
: keeps a good attitude about pretty much everything, or Richard
: Wifall, who won't hesitate to flame an "unknown" who is part of the
: (shrinking) buying community.  I would think that someone who can't

	You missed the point entirely.  I'm not sure I can get much
simpler, but I'll try.  1) I am not planning on making any significant
amount of money selling software on the AppleIIgs.  2) If I find
something offensive, I'm going to let you know.  3) The program will
speak for itself, and if people don't want to try it out because they
don't like me, that is their loss.

: If Microsoft showed the world anything, it was that perception and
: image are worth more than substance; I'm not saying that your
: programming has no substance, but I am saying that a better relationship
: with buyers-to-be could go a long way on  your part.

	I'm no Microsoft and I never plan to be.  It's also of
interest to point out that people slam Microsoft probably more then
any other company in the computer industry.

: See above.  If you want to sell widgets, just be nicer to the widget
: buyers.  I didn't say kiss my butt, just add a little of that coolness
: you undoubtedly show the other members of the GS programming community.

	I don't want to sell widgets.  See above.

: And on the "if I coded for a more popular machine I might have more
: $", it almost sounds like people should kneel before you because you
: have what it takes to program the GS and do so.  You are very worthy
: of my respect for doing what you do, but you're not quite worthy of
: my worship -- I'l save that for someone who doesn't tell me to
: "take a hike" at the drop of an ASCII character.

	What it should sound like is "People shouldn't go out of their
way to be hostile towards people who do program on the GS." because
that's how I feel.  Especially if they want the programmers to release
something they are working on.

: >       Oh, and just to make your day.  Ian and I were thinking of
: >releasing the program in question as freeware.  But I don't put up
: >with this kinda abuse free.  So, thanks to you, if or when we do
: >release it, it'll be crippleware.
: Does this mean you don't love me?  :)

	Yup

: Relax a little, Richard.  Not everyone is out to get you.

	I'm not flaming everyone...

: ---------------Kid (neiderma@eden.rutgers.edu)

	Richard
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