Re: Grind FTP site

[rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)]

Steven Nelson (snelson@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
: From article <34i6ep$2f6j@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>, by snelson@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (Steven Nelson):
[Read the original message]
: Yes. Ian has replied that it is indeed his demand that these files be 
: deleted immediately or he will take legal action against grind.isca.  He
: claims that Charles Turley made slanderous and untrue accusations against
: him.  He reports than Genie and Aol have already deleted these files.
: Grind is expected to follow suit or he WILL take legal action.

: I'm not a lawyer.  I don't know what grounds Ian has for his request.

	As a responsible administrator you _should_ have removed the
files from public access and then if they were found to be legal
(which they aren't) placed them back once the issue was settled.
	Since I am also share the copyright for the IRC disks, and you
have failed to remove them it looks like I have no choice but to visit
the university lawyer tommorrow to determine my options.

[Stuff about NoiseTracker deleted since it does not directly effect.
However, I might point out that Ian does have the copyright to any
code that he added and therefore he has copyright to portions of the
NTGS file that is in question.]

: At any rate, Ian needs to be more careful with whom he shares his
: source code in the future, and whom he gets his source code from in
: the first place.

	I hate to be blunt, but are you just clueless?  Several times
I know both Ian and I have stated that they were _disassembled_ source
codes.  [excluding NTGS]  This means that someone took the binary
program and using orca disassembler reverted it to source code.  Ian
didn't give his source code to anyone. [again excluding NTGS]
	Even if he had given his source code to someone untrustworthy,
it still would be illegal to upload it without Ians permission.

: I'll wait for 24 hours for replies to my earlier post.  At that time

My interpretation:
"I'll let grind break the law for 24 hours before I decide whether I
should honor the law or not."

: I'll either delete the files in question or shut down the FTP site
: until Ian and Charles settle the matter in court.  Whichever option
: gets the most support in the next 24 hours wins.  Grind/apple2 loses,
: either way. :-(

	The apple2 is going to loose a hell of a lot more if you leave
the files up there.  The shit (pardon my language Joe) that you have
to put up with programming/supporting the GS sure is amazing some days.

Is there anyway we could get a new Administrator for Grind who
actually has somewhat of a clue about copyright laws, and could set up
a usable hiearchy of directories?

: Sorry, but Ian is very dogmatic about this.  Your input is important.

The general public's input is irrelevant.  The copyright holders'
wishes are all that hold any relevance.

:   --Steve  (steven-nelson@uiowa.edu)
:            (apple2pd@grind.isca.uiowa.edu)

	Richard
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rwifall@nmsu.edu