Re: METAL is now FREE!!!!!!

[szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)]

In article <24362@drutx.ATT.COM> dvac@druwa.ATT.COM (Daniel Vachon) writes:
>In article <C536xE.Cuq@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Roy Barrett) writes:
>> Daniel Vachon (dvac@druwa.ATT.COM) wrote:
>> 
>> : un-accelerated Apple //e, or even a Transwarped //e....I would not recommend
>> : METAL/FV for you.  
>> 
>> I don't think so...  Metal is -so- much faster than Acos, I've seen it on
>> all kinds of computers.  Something could actually be wrong, or the versions
>> of Metal you used had bad memory management.
>> 
>Well Roy...Are you a sysop?!  Have you ran METAL/FV on an Apple //e before?!
>The slow down was very apparent in message base sections...Also the Spacer
>Quest I had (the Metal Version) on-line with METAL was PAINFULLY slow.   

And now we know why people /flame/ other people for not even replying to 
the same subject-type that was previously posted.

Daniel: GET A CLUE!

Roy is talking about the difference between Acos and Metal. NOT the difference
between GBBS and FutureVision.

Daniel: READ THIS THOROUGHLY:

If you compare the run-time of the same code from Acos and Metal, Metal
/is/ faster.

Daniel again writes:

>Well Roy...Are you a sysop?!

He's worked with Metal enough that he should be.

>Have you ran METAL/FV on an Apple //e before?!

I'm fairly certain he's got a GS.

>The slow down was very apparent in message base sections...

Really? ;) Daniel, do you have a clue why that is? Have you ever looked
how a SMF is handled? Below you mention you switched to Metal, then you
should /know/ why the smf is slower.

>Also the Spacer Quest I had (the Metal Version) on-line
>with METAL was PAINFULLY slow.   

Uh, send the porter of the game mail about it. Or you port it over. Or else
don't bitch.

>> : My 1 MHz ACOS system ran about 5 times faster than by 3.8MHz METAL system.
>
>> .... The kernel and the language that Metal has still
>> kills Acos.  Maybe the slowness was in FV, since GBBS is so lame as to even
>> have 1/20th of the coding Future Vision has.
>> 
>and granted, METAL has a lot of really nice things in it, but the loss
>of speed really was not worth it.

Again, Daniel... its NOT Metal's LOSS of speed.

>I also had problem after problem with the up/download
>protocols.  Xmodem was the only one people could use reliably.  With or 
>without compression on the HST.

I've run into that, but only because my bbs was pretty-much the major 
test system for the new versions of Metal when TC Wilson did the product,
just because I live about 3 minutes away from him.

Just a side note here: IF you are having problems with Metal 1.09's 
xfer protocols, drop back to the 1.08 xfer packages. If you can't find
a place to get them, they are up on TAP. (see sig below)

>  And the sysop utilities in FV are unmatched
>by any other BBS program available, I will openly admit.  It is a hell of a 
>system, it just is not cut out to be run on an Apple //e with or without a 
>Transwap //e.

That's Futurevision's fault. But then again, who would want to run Proline
on a II+? (Yes, I know its possible... but Proline isn't all that speedy
either. I wouldn't run Proline, nor FV on a bare-bones IIe. Heck, I wouldn't
run either on a bare-bones IIgs.)

> I think you will find that most sysops out there are running on
>accelerated Apple //gs's at 8 to 10Mhz....

I am. Both GS's I have are 8 mhz. Its the only way to go. I couldn't see
using the Finder at 2.8 mhz, let alone FV.

>> : just some food for thought...
>> 
>> I think this food has gone bad.
>
>Maybe you should spend some time checking into some facts before inserting thy
>foot in thy mouth...  I am not ANTI-Metal or ANTI-FV, nor am I anti-ACOS.  
>They all have their places is what I am saying...  METAL/FV is great for high
>speed Apple //s, while ACOS is better for the low end. 

Uh, no. I would have to say /Metal/ is better in either case. Futurevision
on the other hand... it just does too much, and (atleast for my sanity's sake)
requires an accelerator.

Since you appear to have both Acos and Metal, how about running
/very/ similar code on both, and timing it. I think you'll see there's
a difference.

> Also, my BBS code for ACOS is pretty large, as I ran an ACOS system
> for about 5 years before 
>switching to METAL.  There were quite a few features in FV that I have similar
>things coded for in my ACOS bbs.   In your mind, maybe METAL/FV is god, but
>then maybe you have a //gs or something...I just have a //e, and IMHO ACOS or
>MACOS is a better bet for me.

I highly, highly doubt your Acos bbs does what Futurevision does...
(Note: I've never seen his bbs, so I /really/ can't say.)


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