Re: digicard - ethernet

["brad" <mrbrad(remove)@ll.net>]

"brad" <mrbrad(remove)@ll.net> wrote in message
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> "Glenn Jones" <rg.jones@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> > brad wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> > > (it would be a lot easier on us here if someone just got the old
tcp/ip
> and
> > > lance gs card to do what we all dream it could do...then i'd just buy
it
> and
> > > chuck the rest...sigh)
> > >
> > > brad..
> > > (confused about apple // networking...only heard about it never really
> saw
> > > it back in the day)
> > >
> >
> > Brad, can you elaborate on what you mean " to do what we all dream it
> > could do " ?
> >
> > Glenn
>
> well..i don't know what i'm talking about here..but i'd like to see a
> version of the tcp/ip protocols for the lance gs eithernet card..so you
> could
> have the apple ii not only go out with i think it is contiki and use the
net
> etc..but allow others to come into the apple ii from the internet and hit
on
> the
> computer as well..as gbbs and metal/fv is configurable in script etc..then
> there would be no need for this hardware or bbs gateway stuff to get
> something like
> metal/fv bbs to connect to the internet..even if it was limited by
speed..if
> my main pc worldgroup bbs or internet server could see the apple ii bbs on
> the eithernet port in such a way that even at 19200 bps or some
such...could
> pass it thru ..then that would be much better then this serial connection
> hodge podge that
> does not seem to be as stable as we would like it to be..and the necessity
> of using another computer get specifically get to the apple ii of the
> internet...i think this is what terry o. and boycot is trying to do with
the
> hardware converter solution..now maybe i don't know what i'm talking about
> (likely) but i think a person could revive a lot of this old apple //
bbs's
> and commodore bbs's etc if some game server site or bbs site..pc type
> ...could just toss the apple ii with the lance gs card on the eithernet
hub
> and even at limited speed and 1 user at a time..have it sit there and up
and
> accessable via there game site directly more/less thru the
internet....with
> metal/fv being freeware etc....not a problem to toss it up...whereas the
> software solutions...on another machine...port hardware devices...serial
> connections that hang and allow other users to pick up where a prev user
> left off on the same account...etc etc etc..it would be worth the price of
a
> lance gs card to just get around all that also you could do odd little
> things like revive futurenet (fv/metal network) and pass stuff thru inet
> etc..
>
> anyway my 2c worth...and i'm prob the person that least needs to do this
> assuming i ever get my worldgroup bbs back up in that it has a addon
called
> dialout (there are also a couple bbs door programs that do the same if
> someone wants to experiment) that at least allow me to seamlessly thur
> worldgroup menus get to the tpro 4.2 RPG bbs on an apple //gs...without a
> problem...and i assume if i ever get around to it doing the same for
> fv/metal bbs like boycott via his bbs gateway program as well....but that
> only would help worldgroup sysops with the dialout module....or maybe
> running synchronet www.synchro.net bbs setup using a dialout door
> program..that also would likely work..
>
> i'd  just prefer a dumb ..even slow...direct connection that all tcp/ip
type
> servers of today could just plain ass  find the apple // on the eithernet
> hub...and the particular connection from that main machine could then thru
> common tweaks figure out how to get users there via www page or direct ip
> back/forth in that manner..the same way that i get the worldgroup setup
that
> directly connects to the internet via pc to see/recognize the synchronet
sub
> game setup on another one of my ip's on my internal network..i can connect
> the synchronet directly with the worldgroup system using some 8port octo
> card etc etc..but it would take me 6 months to figure out how to tweak
it...
>
> now for all i know this is possible..and i don't program etc and am too
> dense to know any better...but except for the tpro (null modem driver is
too
> stupid to know any better just sits and looks for a CR to hit and drops
> clean at log off)...the fv/metal serial connection always hangs in other
> peoples accnts etc etc..thus the boycott's attempted solutions with
hardware
> device and bbs gateway program...and the other guy who is using it with i
> think a cisco server...almost there but not
> quite..and a pain to setup..in my non-programming viewpoint ..at this time
> however
>
> anyway...maybe terry has it all working now...but that is my 2c worth and
if
> this is somehow do'able...let me know i'll ship you the version of
fv/metal
> i have on a scsi hd and/or the tpro 4.2f RPG BBS too boot...someone can
see
> if they can tweak this with a lance gs card to get around this using metal
> script language etc (terry and a few others know this stuff)..and see if
> crap can at whatever speed at least communicate in this manner and
hopefully
> even if no faster then a serial connection..do so as a guick easy hardware
> fix....catch is buying the lance gs card...
>
> but then again if it was easy it would have been done by now.....my
> appologies to the lance gs people...but it would be how you would get 2
> cards out of me in the future is this probably widely optimistic use of
your
> card where to work...for my somewhat screwy viewpoint on how to use it
>
> but again if i had my act together i'd have a decent bandwith ip
connection
> to toss the system back up on ..so i should not even be tossing this
> out...as far behind as i am on what i should be doing
>
> anyway beat me up or enlighten me as always this is my 2c worth....
>
> brad
> former sysop lost-gonzo.com
>
>



well again not knowing what i'm talking about.

really big emphasis on the above..here goes

 would there be a way with the current lance gs setup..(it allows dns right?
 to do something like
put it on my network with my tcp/ip version of worlgroup
(www.worldgroupware.com ) or tcp/ip freeware version of the synchronet bbs
(www.synchro.net) and that would allow someone out in the internet world to
ie..find my gs (dns) on the network...then once they went in via the
eithernet connection..maybe some kinda
modified metal/fv using nadanet or some other protocol from that point on?
(hey...that is what my dialout program does for worldgroup and dialout door
programs do in the bbs world...you hit on the tcp/ip bbs setup above..then
you run a door program which serial/modem or ip allows you to connect to
another server within the bbs itself..then they log off apple // serially
connected bbs and viola they are back out of the serial connection and into
the bbs proper...and on inet bbs..
the dialout for worldgroup can be setup for modem/serial...and the bbs door
programs for dialout (do a google search dialout bbs doors..should come up)
should be able to do the same on say a synchronet/wildcat/tbbs...or whatever
as the wg version of dialout...but only got it to work with serial
connection and trpro 4.2f rpg apple // bbs...with fv/metal it worked via a
modem at each end but that ties up a phone line...anyway this is what terry
is trying to work around with his hardware and bbs gateway project...but
maybe the dumb simple solution is just mofify and old bbs fossil dialout
program and use it with standard ms-dos bbs like
wildcat/sycnchronet/tbbs/worldgroup/searchlite whatever...running tcp/ip and
this dialout door program to the apple // bbs..heck i even think mac bbs
programs can run fossil doors....

but anyway...could some dumb simple half ass blending work around work with
coming in on a lance gs card...work..could i with a lance gs card ignore the
tcp/ip problems..mentioned with drivers and simply put the dang card up with
an internal dns number on my home network and simply use one of these
dialout programs and/or door dialout programs available ..to simply by
menu..setup to hit via said programs such and such DNS number of the
fv/metal or whatever apple // bbs and viola..it would hit? could metal/fv be
modified to see the card...even at a ridiculous slow
speed..nadanet/applenet?whatever?>>.(confusion reigns here....)


likely i am simply delusional...but us non-programmer types are a hopeful
bunch...


anyway...i'd settle for anything stable with fv/metal which i have not seen
yet..getting it on the internet and ..just tossing out ideas...

you'd think a serial connection solution would be easier..but no one seems
to have much luck with that yet...at least the fv/metal or gbbs gateway
stuff..

anyway...cut me up in shreds here...use simple language...i confuse easy

my 2c worth

brad
former sysop lost-gonzo.com