Re: A2 Trade/Swap ... site ...

[pausch@saafNOSPAM.se (Paul Schlyter)]

In article <396C95B2.A69AFA13@inetnebr.com>,
Roy and/or Janet Miller  <millers@inetnebr.com> wrote:
 
> Paul Schlyter wrote:
> 
>>> So, by the above example you're indicating that direct sanctioning without
>>> making the workaround via the police is meaningless or even bad.
>>
>> It's even illegal: try to fine or arrest the guy crossing the street
>> against a red light yourself, and you're committing a more severe
>> crime than he did!  According to the law, only the police and the
>> courts have the right to enforce the law.  Ordinary citizens only have
>> the right to keep the offender there, until the police arrives.
> 
> But that is an arrest Paul. I've made many of them. Some times I had to
> wrestle the person to the ground, sometimes I had to run a foot race, and
> then tackle the person. I was never in any danger of committing a crime
> however, for I was a citizen enforcing the law, and here in the US that's
> legal (with some limitations however.)
 
So you're saing that if I cross the street against a red light, and if
you witnessed that, it would give you the right to wrestle me to the
ground and then lock me up ????????????????????????????????????
 
Someone else responded to you, and was disagreeing a lot.  From his
description, you don't have the right to do more as a private citizen
than we do in Sweden, if you become a witness to a crime.
 
 
> Even the police however, can't fine you. Only the court
> can do that, and only after a guilty verdict.
 
Even for very small crimes, like e.g. walking against a red light?
 
Here in Sweden, the police have the right to fine you directly for
some specific kinds of "small" crimes.  You shouldn't give the
money directly to the policeman though, but instead pay to some
specific account.  If you wish you can disagree of being fined by
the police though -- then the case goes on to the court.  This
system was introduced here a few decades ago, to lessen the burden
of the courts (earlier some court would have to spend at least 10-15
minutes on each case of illegal parking, etc).
 
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