Re: Apple II Reference Manual ("Red Book")

[regnirps@aol.com (Regnirps)]

pausch@saafNOSPAM.se  (Paul Schlyter) wrote:

>>> FYI: there are other countries than the US.  Yes I know many americans
finds
>>> it hard to comprehend this, but nevertheless most people of the world
>>> lives outside the USA.

>> Well, we were talking about copyright and a book from the U.S.
>Yes, the book was a US book.
>> and U.S. politics I thought.
 
>It was never explicitly said whether the policits was international,
>US domestic, Swedish domestic, Martian, or whatever.

Aha! It was, I recall that you brought up the American religious right and that
started this whole thing.

>>>> National Socialists not Leftists?
>>  
>>> Nope!  They imporisoned socialists and communists, and collaborated
>>> with other right-wing dictatorships, such as Mussolini's Italy and
>>> Franco's Spain.
>> 
>> But serious Socialists always imprison or liquidate other Socialist factions
>> and ideological backsliders.
 
>Now you've invented the term "serious socialists".  Neither the
>former socialist premier of France, Mitterand, nor the current
>socialist premier of Sweden did ever imprison anyone for any
>political reasons.  Are you claiming these people are "non-serious
>socialists" ???

If they were really Socialists with the power of a Socialists leader in a
Socialist counrey there would be no provate ownership and disidents who showed
a lack of proper selflessness would be disciplined or re-educated.

>> This is a press fabrication by the left. Right wing = more individual
>> freedom, left wing = less. Fascists are defintitly left wing.
 
>This is a press fabrication by the right. Right wing = less influence
>by the people and more by money, left wing = the other way around.
>Fascists are defintitly right wing.

Ah, its the money! This is an impass. In the USA conservatism = individual
freedom and liberalism = government control and bigger government. The papers
talk about "bigger and better governance" as a very good thing. It is the
solution for all problems.
 
>> Capitalism is a philosophy not a system of government. It can be applied
>> in any number of systems.
 
>So is socialism....

 Is socialism compatible with a free market? What is the incentive for creation
in a phiosophy of selflessness?


>Without Communism I believe Capitalism would still
>be pretty much like it was 150 years ago, when Marx and Engels
>started criticizing it: slavery would remain, little or no civil
>rights of today, 80-100 hour workweeks....

I doubt it. It is the difference between catastrophic and slow change. Some
countries took the catastrophic route. The USA has taken a a more liesurely
evolution based on increased productivity. The War between the States was about
States rights and federal power. Slavery had already been made economically
dead by the cotton gin and the McCormic Reaper. Then with steam and internal
combustion it was all over. Higher productivity has allowed lower manual labor.
We work a 4 day week compared to my grandfather.

The unions and socialists and communist activists like to claim responsibility
for all this but it was really Ely Whitney, McCormick, Edison, Ford (who raised
wages enough that a typical employee could buy a car), etc. The Unions have
always been behind the curve. After all, they started as criminal associations
who murdered competitors like  the Irish Teamsters as they took over transport
on the docks in NY by applying the techniques that had developed for creating
labor monopolies in their homeland.
 
>> For one, I have not killed any Native Americans or owned any slaves.
 
>Did I ever claim you had?  But you're still living on the land your
>grandgrand.....grandfathers stole from the native americans, right?
>Do you intend to finally give it back to them?  Or do you intend to
>keep it?

The country was not exactly filled from edge to edge with occupied land or land
even used or traveled over by the Natives. My great great grandmother was born
in Fort Stillicoom (A Hudson's Bay trading post) in 1864 not far from where I
live. Herman Springer arrived from Germany in 1632. Like the black plague in
Europe, the smallpox and chicken pox and measles epidemics dramatically reduced
the native poulation and like in Europe, people moved into empty areas. It
wasn't till Andrew Jackson that Indians were forced to the west by the military
and he defied the Supreme Court to do it. (The court doesn't have an army but
the President does).

>> I do fear the way capitalism is applied in the U.S. Not as much as
>> Communism, but my freedoms are steadily decreasing and my taxes steadily
>> increasing. The portion of my life's work laid claim to by the State is
>> now 49% to 51% in money alone.
 
>Possibly -- but you do get something in return, don't you?  LIke
>schooling, police protection, hospitals, etc.  Try to do a market
>survey, and find out what it would cost if you instead paid for
>all of this by your private money.....

With competiton to privide service? Of course it would be both cheaper and
better.
 

>> Buy your .50 cal Browning now beore they are made illegal!
 
>I don't even know what that is..... lemme see, .50 cal is that half
>a calorie?  Is Browning some kind of fuel which produces heat?
>Why is fuel soon becoming illegal?

Machine gun. Penetrates one inch of steel. Mounting in the wings of planes, on
jeeps, tanks, and carried by troop teams. Helped push NAZIs out of Scandinavia.

We can still buy the ammunition and rifles that use it as well as
semi-automatic version of the machine guns but a group of liberal congressmen
fear the long range sniper ability and want them all made illegal as well as
the sale of the ammunition.


Charlie Springer