Re: Apple II Reference Manual ("Red Book")

[pausch@saafNOSPAM.se (Paul Schlyter)]

In article <20000420180846.23736.00002662@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
Regnirps <regnirps@aol.com> wrote:
 
> pausch@saafNOSPAM.se  (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
> 
> Regnirps <regnirps@aol.com> wrote:
>>> pausch@saafNOSPAM.se  (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Liberals aren't "left wing" -- to be "left wing" you must be a
>>>> communist, or at least a radical social democrat.  Liberals are
>>>> the "middle wing".
>>> 
>>> This is also what most American journalists believe but they are over 90%
>>> Democrat. The simple truth is that Ronald Regan had the greatest majority
>>> and greatest number of votes in American history and this defines the middle.
>> 
>> FYI: there are other countries than the US.  Yes I know many americans finds
>> it hard to comprehend this, but nevertheless most people of the world
>> lives outside the USA.
> 
> Well, we were talking about copyright and a book from the U.S.
 
Yes, the book was a US book.
 
> and U.S. politics I thought.
 
It was never explicitly said whether the policits was international,
US domestic, Swedish domestic, Martian, or whatever.
 
If you had been discussing with your neighbours, it would have been
reasonable to implicitly assume US local politics, just like it would
have been reasonable to assume Swedish domestic politics if I had
been discussiong with my neighbours.  But we were discussing this in
an international forum, so I didn't assume it only referred to
Swedish domestic politics -- and you shouldn't assume it only
referred to US domestic politics either.
 
 
>>> Classical Liberalism would be the Republicans before 1950 when they were
>>> invaded by the "neo-cons" or first wave of religious conservatives.
>  
>> And what about the situation on the 200 *other* countries of the world?
> 
> I don't know, what would you call an Islamic Republic?
 
That's a theocraty.
 
>>>> Hitler wasn't a leftist.....  
>  
>>> National Socialists not Leftists?
>  
>> Nope!  They imporisoned socialists and communists, and collaborated
>> with other right-wing dictatorships, such as Mussolini's Italy and
>> Franco's Spain.
> 
> But serious Socialists always imprison or liquidate other Socialist factions
> and ideological backsliders.
 
Now you've invented the term "serious socialists".  Neither the
former socialist premier of France, Mitterand, nor the current
socialist premier of Sweden did ever imprison anyone for any
political reasons.  Are you claiming these people are "non-serious
socialists" ???
 
> This is a press fabrication by the left. Right wing = more individual
> freedom, left wing = less. Fascists are defintitly left wing.
 
This is a press fabrication by the right. Right wing = less influence
by the people and more by money, left wing = the other way around.
Fascists are defintitly right wing.
 
>>> Single party?
>  
>>Yes -- they certainly weren't democratic.
>  
>>> Privately held means of production but government control over quotas and
>>> prices? Party officials placed in businesses to monitor production?
>>> Registering and confiscation of weapons to suppress dissent?
>  
>>Yep -- that happens in all dictatorships, right-wing as well as left-wing.
> 
> Not all.
 
Any dictatorship will strongly try to suppress dissident: if they accept
dissident, they're no longer dictatorships.
 
>>> I believe in evil and in evil ideas. I don't care if Marx and Engels
>>> are in the library, but there should be a skull and cross bones stamp
>>> on the book.
>  
>> I think you need to learn some history here.  Why do you think Marx
>> and Engels philosophy spawned such a large political movement?  The
>> answer is quite obvious: because their critiscism of the Capitalism
>> of 150 years ago was right on the spot!  Marx and Engels didn't
>> really spawn Communism -- Capitalism and its accompanied slavery did!
> 
> Capitalism is a philosophy not a system of government. It can be applied
> in any number of systems.
 
So is socialism....
 
> Marx and Engels is intellectual poison.
 
ANY philosophy will become "intellectual poison" if it's enforced on
a country by a dictatorship government.  Sadly I see that the spirit
of Joseph McCarthy still appears to live within you.  Fear, if
anything, is "intellectual poison": people who are scarred are often
irrational and can be outright cruel.

Despite the curelties committed in Communist dictatorships, Communism
has also done some good things: due to the fear of Communism, Capitalism
did reform itself to become less cruel and more humane: slavery
was removed, everyone got the right to vote, people got more decent
working hours.  Without Communism I believe Capitalism would still
be pretty much like it was 150 years ago, when Marx and Engels
started criticizing it: slavery would remain, little or no civil
rights of today, 80-100 hour workweeks....
 
>>> Do you think the Cold War or a hot one can't happen again?
>  
>>We already have a new Cold War -- this time between the western
>>world and the islamic world....
>  
>>> I think any sane free person should fear Communism.
>  
>> To be consistent, you should then fear Capitalism just as much.  What
>> did the americans do to the native american population?  What did you
>> do to the black people in Africa some 200 years ago?  I'm sorry, but
>> Communists aren't the only ones who have blood on their hands.
> 
> For one, I have not killed any Native Americans or owned any slaves.
 
Did I ever claim you had?  But you're still living on the land your
grandgrand.....grandfathers stole from the native americans, right?
Do you intend to finally give it back to them?  Or do you intend to
keep it?
 
> I do fear the way capitalism is applied in the U.S. Not as much as
> Communism, but my freedoms are steadily decreasing and my taxes steadily
> increasing. The portion of my life's work laid claim to by the State is
> now 49% to 51% in money alone.
 
Possibly -- but you do get something in return, don't you?  LIke
schooling, police protection, hospitals, etc.  Try to do a market
survey, and find out what it would cost if you instead paid for
all of this by your private money.....
 
BTW did you ever consider emigrating to the Soviet Union, before it
collapsed?  "WHy do you ask, are you crazy?", I hear you cry.  Well,
the reason I ask is that the taxes in the old Soviet Union were quite
low: some 10-15% only, and since you complained about high taxes you
might want to consider emigrating to another country with lower
taxes, and everybody cannot emigrate to small low-tax countries like
Luxembourgh or Monaco....
 
>> Basically, one should then fear humans in general, because most of human
>> history is filled with blood.
> 
> Buy your .50 cal Browning now beore they are made illegal!
 
I don't even know what that is..... lemme see, .50 cal is that half
a calorie?  Is Browning some kind of fuel which produces heat?
Why is fuel soon becoming illegal?
 
 
 
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