Re: AppleWorks GS and reclassification

[CUTblakeney@home.com (Jeff Blakeney)]

On 10 Apr 2000 22:43:03 GMT, cturley2@aol.com (Cturley2) wrote:

>You both have completely conflicting attitudes on 99% of everything.
>So, WHY continue to TRY to change your attitudes with each other?
>It's a complete waste of each of your time.

I'm not trying to change Jeff's mind.  I'm simply letting anyone
reading this thread know that what he says isn't necessarily the
truth.

If I do change Jeff's mind, that would simply be a nice bonus.

>Here are the facts on the availability of AppleWorks GS v1.1.
>First of all - I NEVER stated that AppleWorks GS v1.1 had
>been reclassified in any form or fashion!

If it hasn't been reclassified then distributing it on web sites
and/or ftp sites is illegal.

>AppleWorks GS can be bought from either Bev of Texas II or Tony
>of Altech Electronics or from Ebay by bid on an auction or
>on the Apple II marketplace newsgroup when offered for
>trade or sale.  Where, from whom or how the AppleWorks GS 
>offered for sale, resale or trade (new or used) was obtained 
>really isn't an issue either, as they are offered for sale or 
>trade legally.

Exactly.  If you get an original copy, you are getting it legally.

>As to AppleWorks GS v1.1 being available for public access and
>download, that's all perfectly legal too.  AppleWorks GS v1.1 is
>not supported by Apple Computer (nor is the AppleWorks for the
>Apple II) other than their files being able to be loaded and translated
>and converted and saved via the Mac releases of ClarisWorks and
>it's newest versions renamed as AppleWorks.  

It is not legal.  All the facts point this out but some people refuse
to acknowledge this fact and admit that they are breaking the law.

>Both AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II computer
>are copyrighted and are the property of Apple Computer.  Neither
>are commercially offered for sale from Apple Computer nor supported.

Exactly.  The only way to get them is to find either new or used
original copies for sale somewhere or have someone give you the
originals.

>Apple Computer has been informed and contacted by me and many
>others about both AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II computer being
>available for public access and downloads from
>online ftp and web sites.  They have always responded that they
>have no objections to this.

If you've had no problem getting authorization from Apple Computer
Inc. to make their stuff available why is it that everyone else can't
get an answer, gets a run around or gets a negative response?

I've asked Origin myself about reclassifying Knights of Legend but I
never received a response.  Does this mean they don't care and that it
can be legally distributed?  No.  It means that they didn't answer me
and that it is still a commercial product that is illegal to
distribute until Origin says otherwise.

>AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II computer are
>both copyrighted commercial programs, available legally as
>I've outlined above with both the knowledge of Apple Computer
>and with no objections from Apple Computer.  

Whether they object or not is irrelevant.  If they haven't
reclassified the products then they are still protected by their
original copyright and distribution restrictions and are therefore
being made available illegally.

>Neither AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II computer
>are freeware or public domain.  It's unlikely that either ever will
>be.

Which is why it is illegal to distribute them.

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