Re: AppleWorks GS and reclassification

["Quantum_Cat" <anonymous@cotse.com>]

 *> I've read every comment made by both Jeff's on this 
subject.  Both Jeff's
 *> being; Rubywand and Dean Jeff Blakeney, respectively!

 *> You both have many valid points you've both expressed. 
Some I agree with
 *> and some I don't.

 *> You both have completely conflicting attitudes on 99% of 
everything. So,
 *> WHY continue to TRY to change your attitudes with each 
other? It's a
 *> complete waste of each of your time.

 *> Here are the facts on the availability of AppleWorks GS 
v1.1. First of all
 *> - I NEVER stated that AppleWorks GS v1.1 had been 
reclassified in any form
 *> or fashion!

 *> AppleWorks GS can be bought from either Bev of Texas II 
or Tony of Altech
 *> Electronics or from Ebay by bid on an auction or on the 
Apple II
 *> marketplace newsgroup when offered for trade or sale.  
Where, from whom or
 *> how the AppleWorks GS  offered for sale, resale or trade 
(new or used) was
 *> obtained  really isn't an issue either, as they are 
offered for sale or 
 *> trade legally.

 *> Bev states she was given them by others to resell.   Tony 
told me he got
 *> all of his (several crates of them in fact)  by 
retreiving them from the
 *> trash and dumpsters.  

 *> (Back in 1991 thru 1993) I retreived 1000's of new and 
original Apple II
 *> software titles from many software companies around in 
the Silicon Valley
 *> area of California, that were discarded in their trash 
and dumpsters.  Some
 *> of it I sold, some of it I kept and some of it I simply 
gave away.  this is
 *> all perfectly legal too.

 *> As to AppleWorks GS v1.1 being available for public 
access and download,
 *> that's all perfectly legal too.  AppleWorks GS v1.1 is 
not supported by
 *> Apple Computer (nor is the AppleWorks for the Apple II) 
other than their
 *> files being able to be loaded and translated and 
converted and saved via
 *> the Mac releases of ClarisWorks and it's newest versions 
renamed as
 *> AppleWorks.  
Hi "Doctor" Tom Charles Turley,

 *> Both AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II 
computer are copyrighted
 *> and are the property of Apple Computer.  Neither are 
commercially offered
 *> for sale from Apple Computer nor supported.

Hey.  We know.

 *> Apple Computer has been informed and contacted by me and 
many others about
 *> both AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II 
computer being available
 *> for public access and downloads from online ftp and web 
sites.  They have
 *> always responded that they have no objections to this.

We've asked you to post this info.  Because we know you're a 
liar.  Haven't seen it yet.

 *> AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II computer 
are both copyrighted
 *> commercial programs, available legally as I've outlined 
above with both the
 *> knowledge of Apple Computer and with no objections from 
Apple Computer.  

Yes.  You repeat yourself quite often.  But we don't believe 
your "legally".  Put up or shut up, worm.

 *> Neither AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II 
computer are freeware
 *> or public domain.  It's unlikely that either ever will 
be.

So.. What the hell do you mean by "legally" then bonehead?

 *> Here's another example of an Apple IIgs program that is 
in the same status
 *> as AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the Apple II 
computer. It is available
 *> from a few web sites and ftp sites, with the copyright 
holders knowledge,
 *> consent and with no objections. That program is 
DiversiTune. It is still a
 *> commercial program, (but - no longer supported or sold) 
by its author and
 *> copyright holder.  You can buy it new or used from others 
legally if you
 *> wish - when and where it's offered  or your  can download 
it as a ShrinkIt
 *> archive from the web sites and ftp sites that have the 
legal right to offer
 *> it.  I have it on my web site, it's on Ground and we both 
have it there for
 *> public access and download and to make it available as 
such, legally, with
 *> the author and copyright holders knowledge, consent and 
with no objections
 *> from the programs owner.  IF he ever decides he does not 
wish for it to
 *> remain as such, he can contact the site host and it will 
be removed
 *> promptly.

Bashum spelled out the conditions, idiot.  Those condition 
have been met by most of these sites.  Apple hasn't given 
condtions for AWGW or AW.  So you miss the point once again.  
William Tell, you're not.

 *> The same goes for AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for the 
Apple II computer. 

No.  It doesn't.

 *> If anybody can prove otherwise - then prove otherwise.  
And, when I say
 *> prove otherwise that's exactly what I mean.  To prove 
otherwise - you would
 *> need a public statement from Apple Computer, officially 
stating that they
 *> do not want their copyrighted titles of AppleWorks GS and 
AppleWorks for
 *> the Apple II computer made available for public access 
and download from
 *> any web site or ftp site.  When and if such is presented, 
they will be
 *> promptly removed.  

Under copyright law, they don't HAVE to say "the do not want 
their copyrighted titles of AppleWorks GS and AppleWorks for 
the Apple II computer made available for public access".  
That's a given.

_YOU_ have to show _THEY'VE_ given permission, asshole.

The burden of proof is on you, fool.  Trying to dump it on 
others is dishonest, and in error.

But that's Turlettes all over.

 *> Cheers, Tom

Quantum_Cat

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