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Re: Surprise found in "Ten Pin Alley" game disc......
Peter Handel wrote in message <774aur$b0g$1@spnode06.nerdc.ufl.edu>...
>In comp.sys.apple2 Steven J. Sheridan <stevejs@att.net> wrote:
>> Upon opening it, I soon saw that it contains NOTHING BUT Bible verses in
>> plain text format (also viewable in Quicktime).
>
>Have you ever opened a book whose contents weren't immediately evident
>by its cover? A small price to pay for curiosity.
Eh? What does the statement "a small price to pay for curiosity" have
to do with the basic intent of the original post? You make it sound as if
the act of being curious had a postive outcome for the poster. It clearly
did not.
>Would you have had the same reaction had there been overt satanic
>symbols IN the game?
>
If the symbols were overtly featured in the game, then one would suppose
that one already knew about it based on reviews and such, and could make a
decision to purchase the game based on that.
>> What a goddamm hypocrite you are, Nathan Mates. I don't make this
>> accusation lightly.
>
>"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a
>stone" - John 8:7b.
Part of what has led to the breakdown of civility in modern society is
the attempt by many to preach (no pun intended) whereever they feel like
doing so. Some of the flock are bound to wander off down trails you may not
approve of. Let it go. Don't push your morality on the rest of society.
What does this have to do with the videogame? It was packaged with the
game. Being hidden in the game does not take away from the insult that the
original poster felt when he viewed the material in question.
>My view is this: If I tell you that you shouldn't steal but then you
>see me stealing, does that make stealing ok? No, but rather reveals
>the truth that we are ALL less than perfect. We need to help each
>other realize areas of life that we could improve without "casting the
>first stone." This has been misinterpreted by so many people to mean
>that we can't say that someone is doing something wrong, which
>couldn't be further than the truth (how many judges have done things
>they convict people of in past?). If only perfect people could judge
>other people, nothing would ever get done legally.
>
We have entered an age where it seems we are dumbing down everything so
the young children of Judeo-Christian parents can absorb everything without
their parents having to step in and explain anything more complicated than
"Why is the sky blue?" I work as a tech support agent for a major ISP. The
number one question from parents is not "How does the Internet enrich my
children's lives?" but "How can I cripple their access to the Internet?"
That is disturbing to me.
In the above paragraph you wrote, you are again writing from a Christian
standpoint. I know it's hard to write from any other perspective (I often
find it hard to be civil to these parents who want to skimp on their
responsibilty to their children), but you must realize that those of us who
are non-believers don't see things your way.
There is nothing wrong with judging someone else; we all make and take
first impressions that last the length of a relationship. However, the fact
that someone put Biblical verses into a game sneakily, and the fact that
someone took umbrage at it and voiced their anger about it have nothing to
do with judging anyone based on their beliefs. It has to do with pushing
said beliefs on others. This argument can be applied correctly to the first
paragraph in this bunch that I wrote.
>Finally, I in no ways mean to exonerate Nathan (since I haven't read
>most of the remarks you deemed disparaging). I do know that he was
>overly harsh with some people (imo) and that he is a professing
>Christian, which does NOT mean that he is perfect! If he were to
>verbally abuse someone for their shortcomings rather than simply tell
>them that he thought they were wrong, then I would have to agree that
>he was less than perfect in that exchange.
>
Perfection is irrelevant. We may be striving towards it, but it doesn't
matter a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys in this argument. Nathan did
something underhanded, and it wasn't called for. I could understand putting
Biblical verses on a disc like "Doom" to voice your displeasure with the
subject matter, but there is no reason to proselytize on a sports disc. The
objective of sports is to bring people together in a common cause; the
dissemination of private beliefs, no matter how important to the
participants, are irrelevant to the game.
>Thanks,
>Peter
>
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>Peter F. Handel
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