Re: Apple 2 Where/How much

[supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer)]

spec@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector) wrote:

>In article supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer) writes...
>
>>spec@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector) wrote:
>>
>>>(though I can't think of any example where it'd be okay in
>>>my book asking some $300-$1,000 for _any_ Apple II setup).
>>
>>How about a IIGS unit with a SuperDrive, an SVGA controller
>>plus 17" SVGA monitor, tons of software, a 1GB hard drive,
>>a 56k modem and a laser printer?
>
 >   How many Apple IIgs's do you know of, that people are looking
>to *sell*, that come bundled with a SuperDrive, Second Sight card,
>17" SVGA display, 1 Gigabyte SCSI hardrive, laser printer and a
>56K modem
(BIG SNIP)

I'm not looking for a fight, Mitch.  I'm just answering your
"I can't think of any example where it'd be okay in my
book asking some $300-$1000 for _any_ Apple II setup."

Yes, I understand that the SuperDrive card is rare and
laser printers and SVGA units work on other computers.
But you DID say "Apple II setup" and setup includes
the peripherals.

>>You can't directly compare to Mac or PC setups because a
>>loaded IIGS is rarer.
>
>    Granted there aren't as many used Apple IIgs systems in
>circulation compared with used Mac/PC setups, but you cannot
>use that logic to artifically inflate its market value.

I meant LOADED IIGS systems (w/12.5Mhz TWGS or
15Mhz ZipGS, 1GB hard drives, laser printers, Zip
drives, CD-ROMs, etc.) are rarer.  I'm not saying just
any IIGS system.

Again, I'm just answering your "I can't think of any
example" statement with an example.

>>You can always sell the components separately.  $80 for the
>>17" screen,
>
>    I know 17" monitors have come down in price, but I'd be
>surprised to find a used one selling for as little as $80
>(unless it is really, really, low quality or damaged).

I was being conservative.  You never know what
you'd fine in those big office clearance sales.

>>$70 for the Second Sight Card, $120 for the
>>SuperDrive card (and before you flame me, that IS what
>>these things go for),
>
>    The value for a used Apple II 3.5 Disk Controller Card has
>dropped ever since Shreve Systems has been selling _brand-new_
>cards for US$69. Perhaps when they run out of stock the value
>will increase once more.

I've still seen people selling and buying at $120, but you
are right...if Shreve really is selling for $69, I'd rather
have the new card.  ;-)

>>if upgraded to over 10Mhz.  I mean, which one of your
>>"giveaway" TWGS units actually WORK?  That's what
>>I thought.  A properly working upgraded accelerator is
>>still worth some.
>
>    None do, thanks. I attribute that to the TransWarp GS being
>a lousy card and having a greater risk of failure because of how
>hot they get and the vast number of surface mounted components.
>The ZipGS has everything on a single ASIC, with the rest of the
>parts (SRAMs and two TTL chips) socketed and run very cool. How
>often do you hear about dead TWGS cards here versus dead ZipGS?

Tony Diaz seems to think that the TWGS is better.  It
runs a bit faster at a given Mhz and it can be upgraded
in more ways than a ZipGS.

For the ZipGS, you basically have the equivalent of
the "most slow down" of the "slow down GALs" in
the ASIC chip.

>    Incidentally, you keep claiming pre-1.5 ROM cards are rare.
>Meanwhile, that is all I've managed to come across personally,
>and lately, I've seen many people post here (including people
>I've spoke with in mail recently) mention their cards have the
>older ROM, flakey ribbon cable and the 2A GAL.

The pre-1.5 ROM cards are rare from reports I've
read and email I've gotten.  Also, the 2A GALs work
fine with the RamFAST, it seems, if you install the
newer 14Mhz 65C816 chip and/or have a Rev. D
RamFAST.  The 2A GALs ALWAYS work with an
Apple High Speed SCSI card.

>>Hey, add up the above and that's over $300.  End of
>>story.  ;-)
>
>    If I had to sell my IIgs (no, I'm not about to and probably
>never will) I would sell each component separately as I know I
>would get much more that way than bundling it all together. It
>is just logical sense you can get more selling things separately.
>I bet I could get at least $300 for my 15/64 ZipGS along with my
>external SuperDrive and FDHD controller. Those go under the rare
>catagory I talked about.

I'm just giving an example.  I know the setup I describe
is rare, but again you said you couldn't think of an
example.

But you yourself provided one at the end of your
followup, as seen above.  ;-)