Re: Twilight 2.0 Beta...

[songman@intac.com (Robert Liptak)]

To Both,

In comp.sys.apple2, cturley2@aol.com (Cturley2) writes:
>
>Paying to get freeware or to be a beta tester is insane.

Noone said that you had to pay and if you have a Apple and are not on 
Delphi which is the last national internet service to have an area and 
support the Apple II of any kind should be subscribed to it. All the 
other services have discontinued and are in the process of backing away 
from it like Compuserve and Genie. 

>It's the insane action of an insane group of Apple II paranoid people, who
>often don't know that others outside
>of their clickee little circle could care less about their conflict of
>statements.  Their demands for this and that to allow you to have something
>that is a freeware, is about;
>ego, power, control and self-centered desires of false importance. It's
>completely self-defeating and devoid of any logic.

What is this babble because it can't be available to put on your archives 
for people to download the person who wrote this program is acting not 
becoming of Apple II folk. I see this all the time if someonen doesn't 
conform to your views or beliefs they are thinking non logically and are 
rageing paranoid lunatics. I confused and the people who wish to continue 
it should make a new area for flaming each other the last time I checked 
this is a AppleII help area.

>This attitude and concept didn't work when the CSA2 FAQs were held hostage,
>didn't work with TurkeyShootGS and it's not going to work with Twilight 2.0 or
>anything else either.

If someone writes a program or information doesn't mean everyone has free 
access to it. Then you are implying programs or information of any nature 
is free for the public. Even if it is freeware the author of the program 
does have rights to choose what archives he wants it to be put on and it 
can't be put in another archive without permission. As for the FAQ's you 
talk about certain people are in charge of making up the FAQ's and it is 
their to distrubute how they choose. If you want to write your own FAQ 
because you feel they are no sufficient enough then go ahead write your 
own FAQ's. Only if the person says his programs or information being 
freeware can be duplicated in any fashion or form can you then do 
whatever you want with it. If there are any restrictions written then 
they should be headed. You talk about the FAQ being held hostage what do 
you imply by this. I again state it seems you have your views of how 
things should be and anyone outside of that is without logic and a lunatic.
I am really unclear about the usage of being held hostage in the context 
of your post.

I like to ask a question the way you talk you imply even commercial 
programs or classified information are free to be given to the public and 
if it is not then you are holding it hostage from the public. If you 
wrote a program or information about the Apple being like a FAQ or 
something does this mean you would make it free to the public especially 
a extensive programs that took you months to write? You would not charge 
for it? 

>Nathan and his vogon clan of parinoid,  hate festering, control freaks -  make
>these sort of demands just to
>attempt to put hardships on anybody that's not a payed subscriber to Delphi.
>And, they base their restrictions on MY and others continued presents in the A2
>community as the reason for their doing this.

Hardships I don't know what you mean by hardships if you are mad there is 
a beta version of a program downloaded into a database on Delphi. He put 
it there for the people of Delphi to try out the beta version of the 
program. Beta programs don't have to be made available to everyone in the 
public. Like I stated before if you don't have a Delphi account and you 
have and Apple II then you should have one. I have two accounts my local 
ISP and MY Delphi account and I only pay $23 a month unlimited access. 

You talk of restrictions on your presents in the A2 community. I am 
confused by this statement please clarify.

>If these are just, fair and sane actions, then It's a sad state of reality in
>A2land.  In closing, allow me to make it
>clear that freeware classified as such - will be made available to all for free
>by public access - to all without
>restrictions and without concern for unjustified payment,
>to get freeware.  The vogons can take that anyway they
>want.  Personally, I don't care what they think any more.
>
>Cheers,
>Tom

Yes Freeware is that Freeware but as I said before the author has the 
right to put it on what archives he chooses. If he doesn't want it to be 
put on a certain archive then you should heed his expressed wishes. If 
you don't then it would seem to that you are the one who just wants to do 
what he pleases and have no reguard for anyone. You feel you are the only 
one qualified to make decisions here in this area and everyone who 
doesn't agree with you is a paranoid lunatic. 

I ask you to then do this start another csa2 area where you and the others 
who just want to babble on and on about power and everything else can 
talk to your hearts content. You seem like the person who will do it and 
then people like me can just read info about the AppleII and learn things
and help each other because all the posts that you and the others do in here
is just a waste of space. Then in that area you make is someone wants to read
it and comment then go ahead but I think this bullsh*t in this area 
should stop.
						Thank You,
					   Rob 'Songman' Liptak

P.S. I do not want a response you can make me happy by doing what I state 
     and start another are where the bullsh*t can go on instead of here.