Re: Connecting an Apple ][e to a Mac

[shack@onyx.southwind.net (Randy Shackelford)]

Nathan Mates (nathan@visi.com) wrote:

: >Nathan's just torqued off because he can't network his IIgs to whatever
: >kind of brand X box he has.

:    GS/TCP (which I helped debug the kernel for) and now Marinetti are
: and have been doing great. I can telnet out from my GS, xfer files at
: will, and do anything else I want to do. I believe in giving each
: computer enough HD space that they can store all the apps and data
: files they commonly use, so I don't need xfer lots of files. [And when
: I want a LOT of files downloaded, I use the partial T1 at work and
: sneakernet a Zipdisk home from the PCs there.] Sorry, but the state
: the 'network' is in at home suits me just fine. I suppose in the
: Apple-worshipping Cult of Shackleford, that's "not" networking, but
: that's because he's just brainwashed. 

I don't give a piss what you use. FWIW I have a network with an ethernet
segment and a localtalk segment with a router in between. I can share files
and printers all over the place. It's all done via Appletalk. If you don't 
like it, tough.

:    TCP/IP is a *far* better protocol overall than Appletalk, doesn't
: require specific hardware, and doesn't require Apple to write
: everything you use. And with Apple not giving Apple II folks anything
: since 1993 or so, that not being dependent on 1 source is a darn
: useful thing. But, hey, if you're so blinded you automatically
: distrust anything without a fruity stamp of approval on the software,
: I guess that's your loss.

I don't give a piss what you think.

: >But if it is too complicated for him like he lets on, someone can
: >provide him with some remedial localtalk wiring help I'm sure.

:    Sorry, don't run Appletalk in any form, mostly because I own zero
: Macs, and I don't mind letting only one of my GSs dump source code
: (40+ feet of assembly)to the imagewriter. I'd get a serial switchbox
: if I wanted the other Apple IIs to print; the HP Deskjet works great
: for the higher quality stuff-- and a parallel autosensing switch works
: great there. 

BFD.

: >BTW, didn't Steve Jobs say that simplicity is the ultimate sophistocation?
: >That makes Nathan a Jobs disciple, judging from that last paragraph. 

:    Nope, Steve Jobs is Mr. "Insanely Incompatible." He'll go with new
: crud that breaks everything else just because he thinks it's cool. I
: value things *working* foremost, and bastard hacks requiring special
: hardware far less.

You said the same thing he says. The reader can decide for himself.

: >That's not to say that I agree that a null modem is simpler than
: >localtalk, 'cause it ain't.

:    What was that about somebody needing help? Especially needing help
: using their brain to understand that non-Apple software is sometimes
: pretty damn good. In both cases, you have to set up the wiring, install
: software, and run things. For the brainless who think that the software
: that came with the computer is all they'll ever need, they'll feel that
: any non Apple-blessed software is "complex", but we'll leave them off
: in a fantasyland. 

My router isn't Apple and doesn't use Apple software. So much for your "one
source for Appletalk support" horseshit.

While I'm in the middle of an infrequent bit of referring to you in the 
second person, let me stipulate that I don't want to see any info I provide
in this newsgroup in your FAQ. I will not be affiliated with you in any way.
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