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Re: 3.5 Disk Superdrive Controller Card Apple IIe,IIgs New

Subject: Re: 3.5 Disk Superdrive Controller Card Apple IIe,IIgs New
From: D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:47:31 +0000 (UTC)
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Drew <goggledrew@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 Sep, 20:42, "a2retro" <a2re...@a2central.com.remove-si5-this>
> wrote:
>>   To: Drew
>> On 9/21/2010 12:06 PM, Drew wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Sep, 00:11, Polymorph<mike.a.steph...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> On Sep 21, 4:30 am, Warren Ernst<wer...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>>>> On Sep 20, 7:43 am, Vapor<macarim...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 20, 3:10 am, Drew<goggled...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> On 20 Sep, 03:38, Polymorph<mike.a.steph...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 11:47 am, Warren Ernst<wer...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 5:37 pm, Polymorph<mike.a.steph...@gmail.com> 
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 10:15 am, dog_...@macgui.com (D Finnigan) wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Rich Hare wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I pulled a CSOB move.  Instead of adding one to my IIGS, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > bought a
>>>>>>>>>>>> pizza box Mac which has a drive built in.  When I need to,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I can use Mac
>>>>>>>>>>>> disks, PC disks or ProDos disks in the Mac, and then
> > > > > > > > > > > > transfer files to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the IIGS via Appletalk.  A little slower and more
> > > > > > > > > > > > cumbersome, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely cheaper.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Here, here. That's the same thing that I do. I find that a
> > > > > > > > > > > desktop Power Mac
>>>>>>>>>>> G3 (the one with built-in serial ports) fits the bill quite
> > > > > > > > > > > nicely and
>>>>>>>>>>> frequently serves as an AppleShare server for the IIgs.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If I were to get a 3.5" disk system, it would definitely be
> > > > > > > > > > > for the IIe. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> fine with 800k disks on the IIgs. I managed to squeeze
> > > > > > > > > > > System 6 and
>>>>>>>>>>> Marinetti onto one!
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Mac GUI Vault - A source for retro Apple II and Macintosh
>>>>>>>>>>> computing.http://macgui.com/vault/
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, if you have a CFFA/Microdrive/Focus, you can
> > > > > > > > > > get an IDE-
>>>>>>>>>> to-CompactFlash converter off eBay (really cheap) and mount
> > > > > > > > > > the CF
>>>>>>>>>> card externally. By having external access to the CF card,
> > > > > > > > > > you can
>>>>>>>>>> easily remove the CF card from the Apple II and use
> > > > > > > > > > Ciderpress and a
>>>>>>>>>> card reader in a PC. Doing this you can copy files directly
> > > > > > > > > > onto the
>>>>>>>>>> CF card which eliminates the need for floppy disks or an
> > > > > > > > > > Appletalk
>>>>>>>>>> connection. This is *much* faster than any other solution I
> > > > > > > > > > am aware
>>>>>>>>>> of. You can easily copy entire hard disk images, or
> > > > > > > > > > individual files
>>>>>>>>>> onto the CF card with a few simple clicks and then stick the
> > > > > > > > > > CF card
>>>>>>>>>> back into the Apple and away you go.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That's how I do things anyhow.  :-)
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Except that you have to power down the Apple II to remove the
> > > > > > > > > CF card
>>>>>>>>> to read it in the PC, right?  (Well, that's what I do.) And
> > > > > > > > > then
>>>>>>>>> reboot.
>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, this is true - you do need to power down the Apple II, so
> > > > > > > > perhaps
>>>>>>>> for single file transfers, the Superdrive might have the edge.
>>>>>>>> However, considering my accelerated IIgs boots in under 30
> > > > > > > > seconds, by
>>>>>>>> the time you've written the file(s) to a floppy and read
> > > > > > > > it/them from
>>>>>>>> the floppy, I reckon it would still be reasonably close. If
> > > > > > > > someone
>>>>>>>> were to "give" me a Superdrive controller, I'd be more than
> > > > > > > > happy to
>>>>>>>> do some tests.  ;-)
>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Mike
>> 
>>>>>>> I find the uthernet with safe ftp has been the most convienant
> > > > > > > way to
>>>>>>> transfer files..I have a superdrive and can't remember the last
> > > > > > > time i
>>>>>>> used that tbh.
>> 
>>>>>>> Drew
>> 
>>>>>> I'm with you Drew.  I use the Uther card to do all of my
>>>>>> transferring.  I use FTP for most transfers, and ADTPro for
> > > > > > others
>>>>>> (when they are pure disk images).  I have a superdrive and
> > > > > > controller
>>>>>> and haven't even installed them yet :)
>> 
>>>>> Actually, I also agree with you (which therefore means I disagree
> > > > > with
>>>>> myself - DOH). When I'm under GSOS, then my Uthernet and FTP is
> > > > > the
>>>>> way to go. That said, you'd be amazed how much I'm still doing
> > > > > 8-bit
>>>>> stuff, meaning the SuperDrive still gets used more than you'd
> > > > > think.
>> 
>>>>> -Warr
>> 
>>>> Hehe... well I only got a Uthernet recently, but I too have to
> > > > agree
>>>> for single or small batches of files, I'll probably be doing this
> > > > as
>>>> well. I've already setup an ftp server on my local network that
> > > > hosts
>>>> a whole bunch of Apple II disk images. So, yeah I agree too - I
> > > > guess
>>>> we're all in agreement on this one!  :-)
>> 
>>>> <off_topic>
>>>> Just out of curiosity, what sort of transfer speed do you guys get.
> > > > I
>>>> did some testing the other night and found that I was getting about
>>>> 6kb/s when transferring files via FTP using Safe. I have a 12.5MHz
> > > > Zip
>>>> GSX installed, and noticed that both the slot my CFFA and the slot
> > > > the
>>>> Uthernet was installed in were set to "slow" in the Zip GSX control
>>>> panel. I changed both slots to "fast" and noticed the transfer
> > > > speed
>>>> jump up to about 10kb/s. Is this comparable to what others are
>>>> getting?
>>>> </off_topic>
>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mike
>> 
>>> I get 9-11k on my TWGS running at 10mhz.
>> 
>> Have you tried saving to a ram disk. Not much point if your only
> > going
>> to be writing a disk image right after but if they are zip files and
> > you
>> are going to unpack them anyway ....
> 
> The speed isn't a problem for me was just letting Polymorph what i
> get :).
> 
 The deuce are you talking about?! High-performance computing is the
highlight of Apple Ii micros.

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- Re: 3.5 Disk Superdrive Controller Card Apple IIe,IIgs New
  - From: Drew <goggledrew@gmail.com>

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