Re: A Tale of Two Apples

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B.J. Major wrote:
> Nathan Mates <nathan@visi.com> wrote:
> > In article <199710311057353439274@slip129-37-106-131.wa.us.ibm.net>,
> > B.J. Major <bjblackbear@ibm.net> wrote:
> > >I don't know what you are getting at here, except that you seem to be
> > >harkening back to the memory question and exactly how much of it the GS
> > >shipped with.  That is NOT disputable; it is a known fact exactly how
> > >much memory the early GS shipped with.  Now, whether it was enough
> > >memory to do what a certain person needed is a whole different ballgame,
> > >and a question I've tried to keep separate, but you insist on lumping it
> > >in altogether.
> >
> >    Simply because the GS initially shipped with not enough memory to
> > be fully useful, in case you haven't comprehended any of the posts
> > explaining this in the past. I'm going to try and keep this to short
> > words to hopefully get this through your skull (or do we need pictures
> > for the poor Mac user [pronounced 'Inferiority complex'] here).
> 
> Apparently you also have "conveniently" forgotten that I was an Apple II
> user *long before* (read:  many years before) I was a Mac user, so your
> attempts to insult me are foolish.

General Apple II user does not equal GS user.  I know because I
used to be a Laser 128 user and at one time, after using the
Amiga, kept trashing the GS just because I did not know enough
about it.  After I started using the GS as my primary computer,
all that changed.  I finally understood the true capabilities
of the GS and what it could become if Apple gave it a chance.
You are like I was.  You still don't understand the GS fully
yet.

> 
> >
> >    With 256K of RAM, the GS could NOT load the operating system, the
> > GS-specific tool sets which allow it to put up a Mac-like UI, and any
> > reasonable application. In fact, there's no way you *could* completely
> > load just the OS and the ram based tools whatsoever.
> 
> I never denied *any* of this (go back and read ALL my posts).  I only
> stated *what it shipped with*, and that 256K was enough to run very
> early floppy-based programs on disk, period.

You said the GS was _very_ usable with 256K.  And those disks: Mitchell
proved that they're fake-GS programs, programs that used IIe DHR and
speaker beaps but checked for GS hardware to run.  Crude attempts
by software publishers to sell "GS software" within the limits that
Apple crippled the GS with (ie. 256K).