Re:Apple IIs and Legal profit (Turley vs Reality again)

["Charles T. 'Dr. Tom' Turley" <cturley@grin.net>]

Subject:      Apple IIs and Legal profit (Turley vs Reality again)
From:         nathan@visi.com (Nathan Mates)
Date:         1997/06/12
Message-Id:   <5no082$mgv$1@darla.visi.com>
Newsgroups:   comp.sys.apple2

 nathan@visi.com (Nathan Mates) <Nathan '<BLAH> <BLAH> <BLAH> <BLAH> <BLAH>' Mates
 spiddled about in ignorance with the following - 'watch me burn Dr. Tom'
 rants of wisdom - NOT - noted with a <BLAH> before each of his ignorant rant lines:

<BLAH>   Even though you're a drugged out hippie from one of the most
<BLAH> left-wing areas of the West Coast, there is NOTHING wrong with making
<BLAH> a legal buck in the US. [Yes, you do live in the state of California,
<BLAH> USA, though your mind appears to be in the state of denial]

cturley@grin.net responds:

I AM NOT a drugged out hippie from one of the most left-wing areas of the West
Coast - (I'm not on West Coast Online any more). I live in Brisbane, CA. a very,
very small and very conservative right-wing community of 3003 nice people. I'm
well know and well respected in the city of Brisbane, CA. I'm well aware of what
state and country I live in. And, it's not the state of denial - as in LALAland,
(or Southern California) - home of the most esteemed right-winged Satan Mates,
'Lord of All Flames'. (And, yes, to me you do sound exactly like I'd expect
Satan to sound - if I ever meet him face-to-face.)  BTW, yes, I am left-winged
in certain areas of thought and right-winged in others. So don't label somebody
you don't even know personally! Oh, and I'm left-handed and have a functional IQ 
of 168, I'm not perfect, never will be but, I'm not Dr. Wroung either butthead!
FWIW, put that in your next A2 FAQ update - Nathan.


<BLAH>    Profit has driven the Apple II since the beginning. Would Apple
<BLAH> have succeded and prospered had the owners been losing right from the
<BLAH> start?  Would Apple have continued to see the Apple II if they didn't
<BLAH> make a killing selling overpriced boxes? Would many thousands of
<BLAH> software developers have embarked on huge project if there wasn't the
<BLAH> hope of $ at the end? Would the software developers have stuck with
<BLAH> the Apple II even though piracy and a declining market made it not
<BLAH> worth their while?


cturley@grin.net responds:
To IMHO reply to the above; no, no, no, no, and yes they did, they have and 
they still do. 

<BLAH>    $ is what drives this world, like it or not. And you're the one
<BLAH> who's made ILLEGAL money off the Apple II, starting from the times
<BLAH> you've admitted to selling pirated Appleworks for your crack
<BLAH> habit. You're the slime ripping off real developers and the public,
<BLAH> and now you have the idiocy to claim that making money is
<BLAH> wrong. You're just jealous that Joe Kohn *CAN* make money, have
<BLAH> friends, and popularity by providing quality goods, services and
<BLAH> information, while your efforts land you a whack with the clue-by-four
<BLAH> trying to knock some sense into a vapid and pitiful existence.

cturley@grin.net responds:
IMHO love drives the world not $ (at least the Apple II world that is) I don't
know what world you are in Nathan, but it's not the world of REALITY.  You keep 
dwelling on something done in extreme ignorance, shame and error by me way back in 
1989-92. I've made it very clear on this newsgroup and to you in telcons that I
DO NOT DO DRUGS ANY LONGER - PERIOD.  Yet you keep bring up old historical dirt
just for your own pathetic thrill in attempts to humiliate me in public.  I DO
NOT PIRATE SOFTWARE ANY MORE EITHER!  So, both of your <BLAH> <BLAH> rants are
rather stupid with their inclusions and DO NOT EVEN RELATE to the current time.

No I'm not at all jealous of Joe Kohn, you or anybody else in the Apple II
community - Nathan.  If anybody IS JEALOUS of anybody - I'd say it's you, Joe and
a dozen others who don't know REAL REALITY about me - from some ride at
Disneyworld. My existence is far from being any where near to 'vapid and
pitiful'.  Again you don't know JACK about me Nathan - so why try to trick the
public into thinking that you do?  Your statements simply make you look extreme
and ignorant in all respects concerning me.



<BLAH>    So you compensate for your jealousy of the upright, honest and
<BLAH> successful by trying to pirate, reducing everything to the highest
<BLAH> price you could afford: zero. Along with idiots like Steve Mentos(tm),
<BLAH> your hatred of those able to make a living bubbles over into your
<BLAH> total disregard for copyrights, thinking that "help" is to backstab
<BLAH> honest developers by giving away the software they have said is
<BLAH> commercial.

cturley@grin.net responds: First - who is Steve Mentos(tm) and what relation does
he have to me? I don't try to pirate - I DO NOT PIRATE - therefore how could I
try? I can afford what I want and need - I was able to afford to stick a $10 bill
in your hand (face-to-face) for your shareware fee of the GameHacker disk you
were selling at the last Apple Expo - in San Francisco, Brooks Hall. And, you did
thank me for it - stating I was the very first shareware payment for it you'd
received at the last Apple Expo.  I have complete regard for copyrights, old and
new.  If I didn't then I'd simple get another acct. and spend all my time
uploading all of my Apple II software to Asimov ftp site.  However, I DON'T.  I
have no hatred towards anybody - least of all towards any Apple II developers,
users, programmers or publishers.  You mistake my feelings of agrivation, pity
and dislike for HATE.  They are not the same. I don't hate you, Joe Kohn, Bozo,
Richard Bennett and the others that listen to your rants about me and believe
them - I simply have feelings of agrivation, pity and dislike for the ignorance
and childish nature they so often present - concerning me.

<BLAH>    Find another damp rock to slither under and go away for good, as
<BLAH> you've promised to do. Do that before the bile you're building up
<BLAH> against the real developers overflows again and you pirate more stuff
<BLAH> or do something else stupid.

cturley@grin.net responds: Who died and made you 'King of the Apple II world -
Nathan?  Your comments show just how little Christian nature you really possess,
how much hate, ignorance, lack of understanding and more ignorance you fester in
everything related to me.  Don't ever tell me to do anything little boy. Grow up
and get a real life with real people in a real world.  Stop hiding behind your
pure and mighty wanna-be elite ego.  It sickens virtually everybody that has to
waste their time reads your rants and flames like you stated above. I'm not going
anywhere but IN YOUR FACE butthead!  And, your THREATS of the BILE BUILDING CRUD
(yes, I said it; CRUD, CRUD, CRUD - you're packed with CRUD Nathan. CRUD AND HATE
are the drugs you're addicted to.  The only thing STUPID being done is you and
your little elite power circles trying to play Apple II patty-cake and pretend I
don't exist on the Net.  Well, I do, I will continue to and you can't do anything
about it - nor can they....so, na-na-na-na-na and la-tee-da.  I REMAIN, like it
or not Nathan! I'll be here long after you give it up, abandon the A2 community
and hop on the $$$$$ville band-wagon with Bill Gates and Company.  You can put your
can of DRANO away kid - it don't work on me!

<BLAH>    Kansasfest is full of real developers doing real work, like
<BLAH> planning the next killer app-- Spectrum Internet Suite was born there
<BLAH> last year.  Turkeyfest will be a lot of pirating, whining, and
<BLAH> complaining, without enough of a collective clue among all the
<BLAH> participants to stop drooling from both sides of your mouths when your
<BLAH> heads are level. It's clear where the *REAL* work and Apple II
<BLAH> enthusiasm and community is, and where those in the gutter fighting
<BLAH> over the table scraps are.

cturley@grin.net responds: I know exactly what KFest-97 is full of :) Actually
your personal rants and opinions of the FANTASY TURKEYFEST seem to relate with
more reality to KFest-97 than to any Turkeyfest????  And just where did you get
that from anyway - SATAN? So Nathan, are you going to either event? - let me
guess your answer to that one!  "Nope gotta code for some other platform to pay my
rent - got no time to do anything for the Apple II folks now...maybe later, maybe
when it's ready! Hahahehehe - YEAH RIGHT - WHATEVER!!!'  Final comments on it all,
if somebody wants to try to make money - then more power to them and I hope they do.
Me, I'm not into making money.  I enjoy doing things for peoples needs freely, 
without the expectation of any financial reward for doing it. And, EVERYTHING I 
ever do will be 100% free and 100% legal.  I dare you to prove otherwise. You can't!

Cheers & In Christ,
Tom