Re: not there yet (FAQ info)

[Toby Reiter <treiter@cs.oberlin.edu>]

On 27 Mar 1997, Tilghman Lesher wrote:

> In article <Pine.ULT.3.96.970325130620.1709A-100000@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, Toby Reiter (treiter@cs.oberlin.edu) wrote:
> : On 25 Mar 1997, Nathan Mates wrote:
> 
> : > There's probably a logical base explanation for
> : > all the *very* annoying inconsistencies, and it'd be nice to figure
> : > out what and why Macs are making it so hard to download files without
> : > messing them up.
> 
> : Nathan,
> : Here are the steps involved in downloading a file on  a Mac and bringing 
> : it to an Apple II.
> 
> : a) Download a copy of ProType from a Mac ftp site
> : b) Put that on the desktop
> : c) Download any files wanted
> : d) Drag them into the ProType app
> : e) Place them on a ProDOS disk
> : f) put the disk in the Apple II
> : g) Unshrink the files
> 
> 1) Get a copy of HC.BXY.FIX (S16) from your local UG.
> 2) Download any files wanted on your mac.
> 3) Xfer to your IIGS.
> 4) Run HC.BXY.FIX, selecting each file you want converted.
> 5) Unshrink the files.

Actually for a GS, all you need is a Mac HFS (assuming system 6.0.1) or
ProDOS disk and Shrinkit-GS.  That's a real no brainer operation compared
to anything else (which is why having a Mac as an accessory to a GS makes
so much sense).

> It was possible, all this time, to do this operation on your
> IIGS, and nobody mentioned this obvious solution.  Amazing
> that the mac freaks are convinced that the power of their
> machine cannot be superceded by the power of the IIGS...

That's because this discussion was revolving around Apple II's, which do
have some difficulty with resource forks on files (something a Shrinkit-GS
equipped IIgs does not have.)  In any case, through thick and thin, it's
still much easier to download onto any II from a Mac, no matter what
Nathan says.

> : I hope this will end this war, now. What should be done is to place a copy
> : of ProType in the mac folder at ground, note this in the FAQ, and then let
> : this matter be.  I request someone with access to the file upload it to
> : ground in Stuffit form, and write an email to the ground administrator
> : requesting him to place it in the mac folder.
> 
> I think HC.BXY.FIX was there all along.

Perhaps, but unless it can solve Apple II problems as well, there's not
much that can be done about it.

What's ridiculous is that Nathan is taking this from the point of view of
someone who has nothing on their Apple II and needs to download everything
from scratch, including binscii.  What he forgets is that such a person
will be needing a terminal program anyway, so to save themselves the
trouble, they should just buy that disk which has terminal programs AND
utilities, including binscii, on it.

Toby