John is absolutly right. For instance there is a techie at my INS named Ian who at one time used the IIGS, He is invaluable to me in solving problems for me, although he no longer uses the GS if he had the oppertuinity to read about it on ibm newsgroups it would a positive event. -- Mark Hasslinger | Rocklin California | WITH markhass@calweb.com | A Golden State of Mind | DIETER & TRAVY