Re: Attempts to ban constructive criticism...

[rder@pro-palmtree.cts.com (Richard Der)]

nathan@parka.winternet.com (Nathan Mates) wrote:
>In article <gf23674@pro-palmtree.cts.com> wrote:
>>1) While you surely have the RIGHT to restrict distribution of this
>>software, WHY do so? Surely wider distribution and more users is
>>better.
>
>   As has been said before, I uploaded it to the major ftp sites,
>which anyone looking for quality GS software will check out. If you
>got your software from only one place, you'd be missing out on a lot
>of quality stuff, especially if you only checked a minor site like
>Turley's one. If I alienate the 2% who only do that, so be it.
 
Ok. It would be good for the Apple community to have you both. You
provide great software, bug fixes, and FAQs (thanks for nuking the
pirate site). Mr. Turley goes out of his way to help new users -
for example, if someone posts that they are looking for a piece of
shareware or freeware, he looks for it and puts it on his site.
 
Fact: he did write the 3D psychoaccoustic thing, obviously wrong
Fact: that was a long time ago
Fact: now he is helping the Apple community, 1WSW does make software,
      his site is home to several notable contributors to the Apple
      world
Fact: many people have said that it is time to end the flame war
Fact: we would all be better off with both of you around.
Opinion: let's focus our energy a real issue, like making people
         aware of the nature of the Asimov site
 
>>2) Please don't flame. If you refrain from flaming, your
>>contributions to the apple community will speak for themselves
>>(excellent T2 modules, by the way!). Some people get turned off by
>>flames (myself included) and that does the apple community no good.
>>Especially if new users get driven off.
>
>   90% of my flames are aimed at those who persist in posting wrong
>info and personal attacks on myself. I will not stand for those. It's
>the way I am. Truth and the facts count for more than civility, and if
>you think otherwise, there's a _big_ problem-- you are on the road to
>a society where anyone can claim that their feelings are being hurt to
>get their way, even if it's wrong.
 
 
Where did I say that? I said that truth and courtesy can coexist. In
fact, one of my constructive criticisms was that when such criticisms
are presented politely, they are more likely to be followed. In this
way, the accuracy of our group goes up. Nowhere did I say civility
counts more than truth.
 
What I am suggesting is that if you have to flame someone, do it in
email. Why? Because this flaming is contrary to the purpose of
comp.sys.apple2. Flame wars in a public forum are negative because
new users drop by, see the war, and decide to move on. THEY haven't
posted any "lies," but this group and our Apple IIs would have become
that much less viable from their departure.
 
 
joko@crl.com (Joe Kohn) wrote:
>I have a very simple request...one that I usually make about once a
>year.
>
>Could folks please refrain from using obscenities and profanities on
>comp.sys.apple2?
>
>Of course, there's a time and place for everything, so if you do want
>to spew forth obscenity laced "flames," please take it to a more
>appropriate newsgroup, such as alt.flame or alt.flames.hall.of.shame.
>For that matter, folks that take part in a newsgroup such as
>alt.nuke.the.usa would really appreciate and enjoy all the
>obscenity-filled flames and personal attacks that have been posted
>in csa2 recently. I just don't think they are appropriate for this
>newsgroup.
>
>Thank you.
 
 
I agree.


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