Re: Dr. Turley-PLEASE READ

[rder@pro-palmtree.cts.com (Richard Der)]

nathan@winternet.com (Nathan Mates) wrote:
>>So, whom should I believe?  At this point, Mr. Turley has more
>>credibility than certain others, who seem more interested in slander,
>>flaming, reputation-bashing, and giving apple2 newbies the
>>"holier-than-thou" cold shoulder when they ask questions.
>
>   Excuse me, where do you see this "holier-than-thou" approach in
>dealings with newbies here?
 
Case 1: A newbie posts that AppleWorks is an is an usuitable
        wordprocessor and asks where to get Wordperfect GS.
        You flame this person and then go on and talk about
        not Wordperfect GS, but Wordperfect for the IIe.
 
Case 2: A kid asks for info about the Apple VOC. You flame the
        kid for posting in the wrong newsgroup and his sig, then
        flame his web page. First: it is his web page and he didn't
        ask for a comment. Second: he later changes his sig
        and figures out the newsgroup hierarchy. So what do
        you do? You try to give him a grammar lesson.
 
I've seen more, but those come to mind first.
 
>   As noted above, flames of Dr. Tom are based on hard cold facts,
>usually demonstrating that his posts are the opposite. If you'd rather
>have a touchy-feely group where you'd allow people to lie to each
>other as long as no feelings were hurt, go ahead, but you can count me
>and many others out.
 
 
No, I like an accurate group, but also a decent one. This is not
"touchy-feely," but common courtesy.
 
 
>   If people don't lie, we don't flame. Very simple. The solution is
>not to try and push around the flamers, but correct the liars. There's
>a very specific one who's the cause of most to all of the problems
>here, and his name is Charles Turley. Ask him to clean up his act.
 
 
I am sorry, but flaming is bad no matter how you see it. If you slap
or spit on someone IRL, they will fight back. Similarly, flame wars
do not lead to people correcting their mistakes.
 
Case in point: Mr. Turley made a statement about his having AW.GS.MAKER,
a memory patch enabling AppleWriter to access all GS memory. It was
the wrong file, so I sent him email on this fact. Did he go balistic?
No, he accepted that he was wrong. Obviously, this ended better than
if I had flamed him publically calling him names.
 
 
>   Developers are your friend if you want new stuff for the GS, not
>necessarily people who lie through a smile. Yes, we may bare our teeth
>at offense far more than you'd like, but that's how many of us deal
>with programming problems-- being touchy-feely is NOT going to get you
>anywhere with a bug.
 
 
Believe me, I do appreciate your work. In fact, those Twilight II
screensaver modules were awesome. I'm just trying to point out some
observations and to make this newsgroup a better place (courtesy
leads to better response from people who err, resulting in a more
accuracy group overall while flaming just leads to flame wars).


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