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Re: apple IIc color monitor
mdj wrote:
> On Feb 7, 12:03 am, Tristan Mumford <xtristan.xmumf...@xgmail.xcom>
> wrote:
>> mdj wrote:
>> > On Feb 6, 9:34 pm, Tristan Mumford <xtristan.xmumf...@xgmail.xcom>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> Interesting. makes me wonder where that leaves my platinum IIe. It has
>> >> a board which apparently looks like a PAL board according to
>> >> descriptions I've read yet it says NTSC screenprinted onto the board.
>> >> It also has the US/UK charactersets and the switch underneath the
>> >> keyboard to toggle them.
>>
>> > The platinum IIe outputs 50hz NTSC on the European/Australian models,
>> > as does the IIc.
>>
>> As I more or less said below which you probably wouldn't have read yet I
>> would have been happy enough to have a bodgey PAL with calibration pot.
>
> At least with the European/Australian pre-platinum IIe, you can use
> the Extended 80-column card which has a 'fair dinkum' PAL output on
> board. The motherboard PAL on these machines is downright awful, and
> the colours are actually wrong.
Bleh. Don't like the sound of that.
>
> While these cards produce excellent video, they're useless to me since
> I need a high-capacity RAM card installed in the Auxiliary slot.
>
I can see that causing issues. I'd like more in mine but the extra 64k is
enough :)
>> Thankfully I have a couple of the IIe monitors. Only one works properly
>> though. IIRC the other one has a severe concave screen problem. I haven't
>> powered it on in over a decade.
>
> They're the best option for most people. I personally prefer to use
> RGB output, and a monitor that has both RGB and composite inputs (A
> recent television with SCART or component inputs will suffice). 99% of
> the time I'm in RGB mode as it produces the clearest image. The other
> 1% is while I'm gaming, in which case most of the graphics are
> designed to look best on composite video.
If I had RGB I'd use it for sure. I don't like composite video. Sure my
apple monitor provides crystal clear video, but still, the clearer the text
the better.
Example. If I use the green on my 1084S, I can't read 80col. But I can with
the apple monitor.
>
>> My partner has a Konka 34cm TV that seems to handle anything I can throw
>> at it. Maybe one day I should see if the IIe works with it in colour.
>>
>>
>>
>> > This annoyed me sufficiently that several years ago I bought a US
>> > motherboard for my 'production' IIe. I have been much happier since.
>>
>> Yeah, it's kind of been an issue with me too.
>> I wondered whether it were possible to either hack up a Poor-Man's-PAL
>> setup, or change the clocking to 60Hz.
>
> You can probably 60Hzify a IIe be swapping the IOU and main crystal
> from a US system, but personally, since someone would have to
> lobotomise a motherboard to give you these parts, it's better to just
> swap the whole mainboard. There are other advantages to doing this,
> and only one disadvantage.
If it were just the xtal it would be easy. But yeah the IOU is a problem. If
it were like my clone ][ it'd be much easier. All off-the-shelf parts.
>
>> > If you installed a mouse card in slot 7 on a IIe, you qualify as
>> > wierd ;-)
>>
>> ...oh yeah. Oops. yeah that's not in slot 7. It's just mine has the
>> 2xSSC2 cards, mouse card etc.
>> Mind you, odd thing. When I plopped the clone ][ floppy controller in
>> there for testing it overrode the 'proper' controller's role as default.
>
> Don't follow you here...
My normal floppy controller is in slot 6. When I plop the controller from my
clone ][ in my IIe into slot 7 whilst leaving the existing controller in
slot 6, it tries to boot from drive 1 in slot 7 on powerup.
It's probably normal, but I was surprised because I thought that slot6 was
the first preference for booting.
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