Re: AppleNET BBS via telnet or dark forces against the gonzo bbs

["Laine Houghton" <laine@intergate.com>]

It is said time heals all wounds.
   And the corollary
Time wounds all heel's.

In our microwave society it is often uttered   alright already get on with
it.

Here is a question I'm unqualified to answer...

'Twas it better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all?

"brad" <mrbrad@ll.net> wrote in message
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> unfortunately...to do it right (and not get yelled at again by the local
> cable co company.....) you need to hear my sad sad story
>
> in a local monopoly in a computer time far away (1998)....a small peasant
> revolt, victory....and the downfall....
>
> the story....on why the bbs www lost gonzo www site may be gone for
good...
>
> year 1998: more/less
>
>
> I helped a nonlocal isp get access here.(mankato, mn) and the local cable
> company and teleco got.competion ....(how do you think i got the free T1
> access for the old www.lost-gonzo.com bbs.from 1998 to 2002 i've been told
> by people who happen to like me...tech types) that if i ever get a
> cablemodem with dyn ip i'm toast...(or dsl for that matter the local
teleco
> is also not thrilled with my non-local isp fix in this area)....that if it
> is a dyn ip of a gonzo site ..they will watch traffic...just as a courtesy
> to me...wink wink..i will be squashed like the bbs sysop bug they take me
> for...
>
> of course ..no good idea (or scam) goes unpunished..its my own fault for
> having a work around and get a free T1 in 1998.....so from 1998 to 2002 i
> had a free bbs T1 to use...but .the non-local isp (worked for like
4yrs)..i
> did this with ... he got bought out by some big corp..the tech dept where
i
> had my little T1 arrangement to my house..got outsourced along with the
tech
> dept to sioux falls, sd (thats how it works in minnesota..minnesota is bad
> enough for stuff to do and the winter....our version of a 3rd world
country
> is south dakota)...anyway the T1 went bye bye...the other sysops all got
> real jobs other places...(how dare they get a life and leave
> town...sigh..)...and so..this is my lot..but i had down the
umentionable..i
> had messed with the forces that be around here teleco wise..
>
>
> if the gonzo went back up in all its glory (ie free majormud etc) and got
> swamped which is what my ego would expect...(hehe) and i suddenly started
> getting like 40 users constantly online and 200 calls a day...i'm fairly
> sure a cable co /combo phone co hit squad would swing into action...they
> don't like that sorta thing and it is small enough area they would find
> out...prob within a week..doomed...
>
> (know heck...its a sure bet)
>
> so i'm back in that time of monoply days (1998) where the telecos (dsl)
and
> the cablemodem types (3mb/750mbs) ....have again (same as from 1995 on)
> offered what used to be a 14.4 slip connection up to today the cable
> 3mb/740mps.....version of what they call
>
> "the business package" the speeds change upward...the price stays the same
> as 1998 at the 14.4 slip connection $125 a month with another $25 a month
> for a dialup account (what they call test accnt) tossed in ..in case you
> have tech trouble with your ded line..again same plan diff speeds....etc
etc
>
> a static ip then on now under the business plan is $125 a month....there
is
> no residential static ip plan..and gee...both the cable folks and the
> teleco..both have it at the same price..quite a coincidence....admitedly
the
> speed etc has gone up..but...if you are trying to run a bbs/web site by
> yourself ..with no sysops...it cannot be swung by just me...at that
> price..no matter how fast a connection the business plan eventually
becomes
>
> thus my yelling about having to start a retro computer club around
here...it
> was one thing to pay $125 a month...in the past with like 4 or 5 sysops
> splitting the bill...its another for me to do it alone
>
> thus my prev calls for an apple // collector (rich one) (hi woz.....naw he
> prob don't read this newsgroup anymore..it would be like the inventor of
the
> calculator to get in the collectible vintage newsgroup) to move to mankato
> and save me from this peril....of sysop withdrawl he is my only hope...
>
> anyway its a matter of $$$ and thus i seem (w/o other sysops) to have
> painted my plans of getting the bbs back up in a corner of the room
>
>
> so i collect apple2 stuff..and have  enough time to chat on here..posting
to
> newsgroups (i am allowed to do that at my job at nite)  and teach (for
free
> what else) a local shotokan karate club at the university 3x a week....and
> muddle along...co-sysop less....
>
> the future wants everyone to be dyn ip..so that they can serve www pages
and
> charge you for it (satellite is all dyn ip..or at least in my price
> range)...all these little pesky www servers and bbs's are annoying to big
> business ....my example of the T1 in my house offering a non-local isp at
> the time..as an example...one of my fondest memories ..is after tying to
get
> a non-profit rate for the bbs back in the day or co-hosting with the local
> teleco or cablemodem place etc etc when it was back in the 14.4 slip
> connection days (1998) of 125 a month for static ip..i was basically
scoffed
> at...but it was guite the scene when i went into the local teleco in fall
of
> 1998 and had like 4 vp types involved (ie they did NOT believe me) and
> announce that i needed a T1 put into my house forth with peons..here is
who
> i represent and the 2K fee is forthcomming...don't believe me call
> them..(they did) ...much wringing of hands and laminations ...i had
brought
> a dark force into the land the teleco monopoly a 3rd ISP..but now there
are
> 3 isp's here...the one i was involved in has a remote hosting solution
with
> guest and of couse S.D. ..equipment was tearfully removed from my house
fall
> of 2002...and .i was left aside like a badly used maid...sigh....crushed
> like a star wars saga....
>
> but that still had to be the most fun i had (or prob ever will have)
getting
> a connection of any kind from the local teleco company...my only regret is
i
> did not either bring a pocket tape recorder or have a micheal moore like
> video crew made up by local computer nerds to record the event...the
> non-local isp who was working with me ..they suffered the same fate
> more/less they got bought out by someone bigger and eaten up ...and jobs
> lost moved etc etc....all the free T1 stuff etc was done on a handshake
> ....at the time...now i just have the lonely equip (and t1 line) hanging
> from the outside of my house .....
>
> (tear drops here)
>
> so someone want to move to mankato to get the bbs backup and get a univ
> degree and also train in shotokan karate..this is the
> place...otherwise...i'm just looking for  a rope back out of this hole
>
> i have managed to get the system somewhat back up internally so it all
> more/less works...still working on the apple // stuff ..some needs to be
> networked again.....and prob need to re-build the bbs file areas and def
> need to do the old adt xfer to the said file section of bbs of .dsk shk
> apple // disks...(if for no other reason to backup and mainly just ease to
> find stuff again...bbs file areas are nice that way..for finding stuff)
>
> anyway i'm screwed...(but at  least i had a T1 courtship for awhile)....ah
> the good old  days
>
> so it has swung around to 1998 again...still $125 a month for a ded
ip..and
> more for side the side  dialup test  account too...and they ban for life
> abuses of cable co privlages around here (pirate cable..you never get it
> again....break dyn ip stuff..never get cable again..as long as you live in
> that address) they are guite good at it..mainly because of the local
> universtiy kids trying to do this all the time...to the local cable
> company...and the local teleco....is one of those nice protected
ones....so
> no competion can put them out of business the local teleco protection
> plan..very profitable..1/4 of the 40k of people here are univ
students...in
> the fall they turn the phones on with a switch at the office...and in the
> spring they turn them off....both ways its a 40 to 50 buck charge...no
> infrastruture costs (we are in a valley) .....very profitable...someone
told
> me it was the most profitable private phone teleco in the country once...
>
> the powers of darkness have won....(frigging lord of the rings ...bbs wise
> don't ya know)
>
> anyway...maybe someday i'll find 3 to 4 more foo...er i mean sysops to
> charge windmills again....or find time to get a retro computer club
> going...but its been 2yrs since the bbs went down (9/21/2002) ...so i an't
> moving too fast
>
>
>
> brad
> former sysop lost-gonzo.com
>
> (crank up them moving vans. get to mankato.....ok cut it out..... i can
hear
> you all laughing......but i DID have a free T1 ...so there....fame is so
> fleeting sigh)
>
> (more tear drops)
> signs off too upset to type.,.;...........
>
> (again...re -read above..i really need to get a life or play everquest at
> work or something..the above is just lame)
>
> brad
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> "Rubywand" <rubywand@swbell.net> wrote in message
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> > brad wrote:
> > >
> > > i used to have tpro 4.2f RPG bbs and fv/metal 4.0xev up on the net
> > > (www.lost-gonzo.com) still down though and i had an applenet dos 3.3
by
> > john penchanck? (sp) from 1981 or so....i think it was way before the
> > > prodos applenet was made by the guy in georgia..)
> > >
> > > anyway...maybe someday it will be up again
> > >
> > > brad
> > > former sysop lost-gonzo.com
> > >
> >
> >       Yes! Do it. That was a cool place, especially with the googli
> decore.
> > AppleLand needs at least one good telenet site.
> >
> >
> > Rubywand
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