Re: Apple II pdf online somewhere ?

["Zouplaz" <nomail@nodomain.com>]

"Sean Fahey" <a2fan@hotmail.com> a �crit dans le message de
news:iaJ%c.17934$2y6.15520@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Zouplaz" <pouet@pouet.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns955EC230A30BEZoupla@212.27.42.65...
> > Laine Houghton - laine@intergate.com :
>
> > Nothing online : just covers and summaries
> > Just peeks pokes and call... Not really a book
> > A lot of stuff (often useless) but no books
> > Just a short reminder for prodos, dos and applesoft commands
> > Not what I'm looking for..
> > In fact, I allready know all the adress you give. Nothing new here.
>
> Ow! - someone went to the trouble to try to help you but you seem
> ungrateful - not even a small thanks.

Yes, "thank you" is not an option, but I don't care about messages without
just a single word (maybe "Hi", or "these links could be helpful to you")

Courtesy is for everybody.

>
> Apple II APDA books aren't online in PDF because they're still available
for
> sale, new from Syndicomm.
>
> http://www.syndicomm.com/
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> http://store.syndicomm.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=14

Okay, so as they are available for sale let's try something else.

>
> These are the definitive sources for Apple II information, especially for
> the latter models. There are some earlier books online in PDF format, but
> usually ones that the author(s) or publisher have donated to the public
> domain. For example, Beneath Apple ProDOS (30MB):
>
> ftp://ftp.a2central.com/pub/documents/beneathprodos.pdf

This is one definitive GOOD link. So thank you.

>
> Most books published in the United States are protected by copyrights - it
> may not be worth the time to scan to pdf or OCR for the trouble it could
> cause someone. I didn't see any such copyright signoffs on the example
pages
> you provided - either the laws governing the jurisdiction of that site are
> more forgiving, or those book's content has been illegally made available
> online.
>

May be, I don't know : people are not dumb. If these books are available
online I presume there are good reasons for that.
Perhaps tolerated for the survivying of an old system for which any business
is impossible, may be because the brands doesn't exist any more.

Plenty of software authors have left their copyright. Is
http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple8/ a new pirates harbour ??
Certainly no. So, books are not a exception.

By the way, have a look at /Beagle.Oldies/NOTICE.txt : "To the best of my
knowledge, all of the archives arr classified as
freeware..."

But this is "just" software no ?

> I also have to agree with Laine - most die-hard Apple II hobbyists have
> shelves of books. I sure do.
>

Beeing a "die-hard" hobbyist is, once more, nothing but elitism.
"Me and my shelves". Make me laugth.

You should FIGHT to spread the knowledge about Apple II computing, as this
happen every day on thousands of modern computer science subjects.
Because without that, one day, no more people will be able to code on it,
and the paper will be dust.