Re: Apple IIe + ProDOS = Headache

["Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast DOT net>]

"Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote in message
news:cbkco5$j4b$1@merope.saaf.se...
: In article <veOdnUqPY_XhOEDdRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
: Bill Garber <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:
: >
: >"Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote in message
: >news:cbjkhr$aml$1@merope.saaf.se...
: >: In article <p6OdnfVj9thO20HdRVn_iw@comcast.com>,
: >: Bill Garber <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:
: >:
: >: > Therefore it would either be advisable to update
: >: > all Apple IIs to 65C02
: >:
: >: It's not at all advisable, since it cannot be done.
: >: The 65C02 does not work on a lot of (most?) Apple II
: >: and II+ machines.  My own Apple II+ is such a machine
: >: - the 65C02 just refuses to work there; I've tried.
: >: On the IIe the 65C02 works fine though.
: >
: >There are mods that may need to be done to allow the
: >65C02 to run on such machines. Have you tried those?
:
: Nope!  I just tried to replace the CPU chips.

Well, there ya go then.

: However, don't you think it's unreasonable to expect these
: mods to be done on each and every Apple II/II+ out there?

Only if you or they want to attempt them. I never
implied there should be a blanket mod over the
entire A2 community. I did mean that if someone
wants 65C02 capability then doing ALL of their
individually owned Apple IIs would solve the bug
issue. Now I see that there is a fix for P8 V.1.3,
so no need for any mods except to the program.

: >Also, the MCT SpeedDemon is a nice alternative to the
: >65C02 in the motherboard, if you can find one that is.
:
: ...if...... :-) ..... again, most Apple II/II+ owners
: won't find one....

I've found several just this year. Wasn't so hard. Just
gotta keep your eyes open.

: >: And even if it could be done, are there enough 65C02
: >: chips in the world to fill the need if every 6502
: >: Apple II would upgrade its CPU to the 65C02 ?
: >
: >I'm sure we could dig up quite a few of them if the
: >need should arise. I haven't looked too awfully much,
: >but I have seen small quantities of them available.
: >
: >: Finally: what's the point of upgrading the CPU of an
: >: Apple II which either doesn't work, or will be thrown
: >: away?  Yep, that is the actual fate of a lot of
: >: Apple II's....
: >
: >That is inevitably the fate of everything on this earth,
: >but if you would rather run a II or II+ than get a //e,
:
: A II+ is what I have....

With //e's as cheap and as plentiful as they are, why
fight with the II+. Get a //e. Problems solved.

: >then trying to upgrade its CPU would be the next best
: >thing.
:
: I'm quite content running only software which works on the
: original 6502

Then in that case, you should have ignored my posts
and went on your merry way with it, right??

: > I wanted to learn programming on the Apple II,
: >so I got myself a II+ with the idea that starting nearer
: >beginning of the line might assist me in the endeavor,
: >but I discovered that it was limited in what I could do,
: >and I've sold it. Now I use a //e and IIgs only. Seems
: >I can perform everything on those that I could on the II+
: >and more, so I agree, why upgrade the II or II+, when
: >those do just fine.
:
: ....but don't you think it would be even better to switch
: to a more modern and much more capable computer?
:
: Running a II/II+/IIe/IIgs is, as far as I'm concerned, done
: only for one reason: nostalgia.  Whatever one might learn
: there is of limited use in the modern world of computing.

That's not true sir. Basic, Assembly, and "C" have not
changed that awful much in 20 years.

: >: > or eliminate ProDOS version 1.3 altogether.
: >: > Better safe that sorry.  :o)
: >:
: >: Why should person A be prevented from running ProDOS 1.3
: >: on his 65C02 equipped Apple II just because person B, who
: >: have no intentions to run ProDOS 1.3, does not want to
: >: upgrade his Apple II's CPU to a 65C02 ????
: >
: >I was actually speaking to person's A and B individually,
: >rather than to the Apple II community as a whole. Each
: >person should decide whether to upgrade to 65C02 or get
: >rid of ProDOS 1.3 on an individual basis. Is that clearer?
:
: If so, you should avoid advicing to upgrade "all Apple IIs".
: Yep, you expressed yourself that way.

No, in actuality, I should just avoid having this
discussion with someone like you who prefers to
just be argumentative. :o)

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