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Re: 6502 Programming Is Not Interested?



Dave wrote:

In article <20030707160621.20941.00000393@mb-m05.aol.com>, mjmahon@aol.com
(Michael J. Mahon) wrote:



If you hunger for more megabytes of RAM, and fashioning "solutions"
by grafting two or three 8MB programs together to do something that
could be done in 24KB at 1/500th the clock speed, then the mainline
platforms are your thing...  ;-)



What a crock of utter bullshit.   You realize that there were people who
said the same thing about the "new" 6502 - "I can do that in 1K at 1/500th
the clockspeed".
The first 6502 machines only had 2-4K, standard. Did the 4004 run at 2khz? I really rather doubt that.
But then, if you have been programming for 20 years, you came in after the IBM PC was released, and long after Michael started. To paraphrase Scotty, he was programming when you were diapers! 

   Who cares?   Time moves forward, not backwards.

Really? I suppose that's a new concept for you.
It's as relevant as the person debating social policy who announces what year is printed on his/her calendar. 





The age of art and craft in programming is over, except for a few
stawarts who work by night.  Market pressure has ensured the
victory of the "cobble it together in a hurry" crowd.



Excuse me, but bull fucking shit.   I'm a programmer, and have been for
over 20 years. Professionally
Well, you certainly write like a professional. I suppose your employers don't mind such language in reports, do they?
Oh, and it also gives a real insight into your education - obviously you have a severely limited vocabulary. 

Profanity (and obscenity, etc.) is the last refuge of the inarticulate.

Roy

- as in I do it for a living.   Not just

weekend hacking on 20 year old hardware.   I have developed software on
everything from TRS-80s and Apple //s, NCR mini computers with 32K ram and
dual cassette drives, Z-8001 Pick OS systems that did 16 users with 512K
of RAM and a 40 meg hard drive, to current PCs.    There is just as much
"art and craft" in programming today as there ever was.   You are
seriously deluded if you think that "real programmers" died with the
6502.   Jesus man, open your eyes and look around.
Sound advice. So try READING his post, and you'll see that your diatribe is totally off the mark. 



In 20 years, assholes like you will be pining for the "good old days, when
*real* programmers made do with a paltry 512 megs of ram, not the
terabytes we take for granted today!"    Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't
it?   That's exactly how *you* sound right now!   Your "24K" program was
bloated by other folks' standards, people who were running real software
on a 16K mainframe in the 1960's!!!!

As I have always said, "Quick and dirty is never quick, but
always dirty."
And always will be, regardless of what hardware you are programming. 6502 or P4. The hardware is irrelvant. 

Like your comments

Roy



Dave




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