Re: monitor on IIgs

["Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net>]

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> "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >No wonder MS and Intel are excelling. They start and finish
> >a project and market it. Even if it's not perfect, not what you'd
> >like it to be. They do it. Even Macintosh is meeting with lots
> >of resistance from it's own users. I read the posts. There are
> >many messages claiming incompetance, lack of support, and
> >nothing is backward compatible, making people buy and buy
> >and still never have a complete system that does it all.
>
> And this is where I disagree.  I think bringing this kind of PC
> bashing into the Apple II community is just as destructive
> as the folks who bring in Mac bashing.

I wasn't bashing them, I was commending them, read it again.

> I take it you went from Apple IIGS to Macintosh.  To me,
> there is nothing wrong with you for doing this.  But know
> that a lot of Apple IIGS user, disillusioned with Apple's
> treatment of its own Apple II user base went to the PC
> and we love using the PC.

Actually, I went from Atari to PC, and only recently did
I have any Apple brand computers.

> It is true that Apple IIGS does not equal PC.  But neither
> does a Mac equal a IIGS.  The only thing the IIGS and
> Mac share is the parent company.

This is not really true either. If you look deep, Macintosh
is really the only Apple computer now. They gave up on
the Apple when Steve Jobs decided it was no longer a
worthwhile venture.

> It is funny, I am an avid PC user because I like PC
> hardware.  I like assembling components, upgrading
> hard drives and motherboards and the like.  The reason
> I like assembling PC components is because I played
> around with a lot of such hardware when I was a IIGS
> user and that was because the IIGS was very open
> in terms of the system assembler's hands on
> experience.  Except for the proprietary motherboard,
> all peripheral cards had third party versions.

That is what drew me to the IIgs also, the ability to convert
it with a mere push of an adapter card.

> As the IIGS market dried up and the Apple II died of
> Apple's neglect, I had a choice between PC or Mac.
> I chose PC because I was burned by Apple and I
> am perfectly content with my decision.

I love older equipment so much, I refuse to upgrade to
a Pentium 3. My P2-550 mhz runs fine, Win98SE is
great.

> The power that can be put in the hands of ordinary
> users is incredible and there are many decent
> companies who deserve our support.  Don't like
> Intel?  Hey, I am an AMD fan.  But to Mac users,
> AMD is the same as Intel.  Why is that?  AMD's
> Athlon processor was a ground up design and it
> is incredibly efficient compared to the P4 and the
> upcoming Opteron and Athlon 64 processors are
> again ground up designs.  Oh, and the big evil
> Microsoft?  Well, ok there is some truth to problems
> with their business practices and hey, I am a
> fan of Corel products and Netscape/Mozilla.  But
> I have no problem using their OS.

I like MS products, and as you said, even the least
knowledgeable can use it, it almost fixes itself.

> Apple II users who became Mac users and love the
> Mac, good for you.  But Apple II users who were
> burned by Apple and are avid PC users, WE are
> NOT the enemies.

No one said anyone was anyone else's enemy. I
was actually stating that MS and Intel start something
and finish it. It works and I haven't had a problem with
any new software, it's all good. Maybe a little update
here and there, but I don't need a whole new OS to
run something I just downloaded.

> The IIGS was a great machine that I used for
> many years.  I consider myself a diehard IIGS fan.
> But I am also a PC and not a Mac fan and I am
> no fan of what Apple Computers has become.
> That does NOT change the fact that I am a IIGS
> fan.
>
> So yes, I agree, leave the Mac bashing out of the
> IIGS discussions but please, also leave out the
> endless PC bashing I see here.

No bashing here, in fact I am looking at a way to use
PC adapter cards on a IIgs. I know, good luck dude.
Well, I'm going to try.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprises
http://garberstreet.netfirms.com



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