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Re: New to the group, have questions about a IIe and cards...
- Subject: Re: New to the group, have questions about a IIe and cards...
- From: "Paul Grammens" <grammens@svn.net>
- Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:37:15 -0800
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
- Organization: Silicon Valley North, Inc. (http://www.svn.net)
- References: <Ijn%9.142157$6G4.16303@sccrnsc02>
- Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.sys.apple2:26866
"William R. Walsh" <newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com>
wrote
>
> My first question is about an Applied Engineering Vulcan IDE card. I
> salvaged this card from a computer scrapyard, and while the card seems OK
> visually (and it passes the power-on test) I have been unable to make it
> work. I know that sounds like a broad statement...but more specifically:
>
> Long story short, I'm wondering if I can in fact substitute a hard disk
like
> that? Will the controller still see it? How do I prepare the disk for use?
I have a fair number of these. I've only used them in my IIgs's. I think the
firmware may be different in the IIe version. Look at the front of yours.
What does the sticker say? It should be something like "20 Meg". There
should be a sticker on the EPROM on the card, also. What does that say? It
should have a rev and mention IIgs or IIe.
You don't need the power supply, you can run the IDE cable out the back and
power the hard disk with a separate supply. I've used the supply from a
small computer, or an external CDROM drive.
The Vulcan firmware limits your choices of drives. They need to have 4
heads. I've also heard that a flash memory card, in IDE mode, will work.
Here is a kind of random collection of info I've gathered on the Vulcan over
the years.
-Paul
=========================================
Wayne Stewart wrote:
>
> So now I have 2 Vulcan HDs. A 40mb IIe and a 40mb IIgs one.
> I always thought they were hard coded for a particular HD but while
> being the same size the HDs are different makes(MiniScribe & WD)
> yet I can use both drives on either card so I'm guessing it's the
> size that's hard coded?
> Also does anyone know if the Vulcan Gold upgrade was a hardware
> or software upgrade?
>
> Wayne
Wayne,
I've got two WD 93048-AD's working with Vulcan cards myself.
Could you please tell me which model of WD, and Miniscribe you
have working?
The Vulcan Gold upgrade is a firmware upgrade. I have v1.3GS,
v1.3E, v1.4, and v2.0 (gold) here. As far as I can tell,
the big difference with the gold is that you can lower the
interleave value for faster read/writes.
I have tried MANY 40MB, 80MB, 85MB, and 105MB HD's but none
of them work. The only ones I have which work are the 93048's.
Cheers!
--> Jay
To format drives using the Partition manager, highlight "format" and type
"AE".
Used PC drives must have the partion info erased. This program works well:
http://www.whitecanyon.com/cleandrivedemo.exe
This is an archive with two programs. The one called WipeDrv.exe is the one
you want. It completely removes the partition and boot info, but doesn't
wipe out the IDE info. It's a free demo that only wipes 25% of the drive,
but that's sufficient to allow the Vulcan software to partition the drive.
And it's faster than wiping the whole drive.
Drives used in the 20 meg Vulcan:
+PHYSICAL+ LOG. PAGE
144
MANUFACTURER UNFORMAT WTH. PL CYLS ST CYLS INTERFACE ACC XFER.
POWER
MODEL NUMBER FORMATED HGT. HD PREC AC HDS REC.METH T-T CACHE
MTBF
L.Z. ST ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
SEAGATE 25.0MB 3.50 2 404 26 615 IDE(AT) 40ms 7.5Mb
9.0W
ST125A-0 21.5MB HALF 4 NONE SM 4 (2,7)RLL 8.0ms
150K
AUTO 17
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
SEAGATE 25.0MB 3.50 2 404 26 615 IDE(AT) 28ms 7.5Mb
9.0W
ST125A-1 21.5MB HALF 4 NONE SM 4 (2,7)RLL 8.0ms
150K
(in mine) AUTO 17
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Drives used in the 40 meg Vulcan:
+PHYSICAL+ LOG. PAGE
144
MANUFACTURER UNFORMAT WTH. PL CYLS ST CYLS INTERFACE ACC XFER.
POWER
MODEL NUMBER FORMATED HGT. HD PREC AC HDS REC.METH T-T CACHE
MTBF
L.Z. ST ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
WESTERN DIGITAL 48.0MB 3.50 2 782 27 977 IDE(AT) 70ms 7.8Mb
7.0W
WD93048-A 40.0MB HALF 4 SM 5 (2,7)RLL 4.5ms
30K
17 1:1
INTERLEAVE
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
WESTERN DIGITAL 48.0MB 3.50 2 782 27 977 IDE(AT) 69ms 7.8Mb
6.9W
WD93048-AD 43.2MB HALF 4 SM 5 (2,7)RLL
40K
(My original) 17 56 BIT ECC, 3:1
INTERLEAVE
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
WESTERN DIGITAL 48.0MB 3.50 2 782 27 977 IDE(AT) 28ms 7.8Mb
6.9W
WD93044-A 43.2MB HALF 4 SM 5 (2,7)RLL 4.0ms 8KB
40K
(Tried, works) 17 56 BIT ECC, 3,329
RPM
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
CONNER 3.50 2 788 26
CP-341 42.9MB HALF 4 NONE VC (2,7)RLL Works in Vulcan
AUTO COMPAQ OEM, TYPE
17
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
CONNER 3.50 2 805 26 IDE(AT) 29ms 7.5Mb
CP-342 42.9MB HALF 4 NONE VC (2,7)RLL Works in Vulcan
AUTO
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
MINISCRIBE 51.3MB 3.50 2 745 28 IDE(AT) 28ms 8.0Mb
8.0W
MS8051A 42.7MB HALF 4 NONE VC (2,7)RLL 8.0ms 32KB
150K
AUTO 3,484
RPM
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
MAXTOR COLORADO 51.3MB 3.50 2 745 28 IDE(AT) 28ms 8.0Mb
8.0W
8051A 42.7MB HALF 4 VC (2,7)RLL 8.0ms 32KB
150K
AUTO 3,484
RPM
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
QUANTUM 3.50 2 834 28 965 IDE(AT) 19ms
9.0W
ProDrv-40AT 42.0MB HALF 3 VC 5 (2,7)RLL 6.0ms 64KB
50K
May not work afterall. AUTO 17
MZR:8-ZONE
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Vulcan Gold firmware allows larger drives. Partition Manager 2.0 works with
it.
Vulcan Gold can use:
Conner CP30084 80meg 1/3 height C/H/S: 903/4/46
Conner CP3104 100meg 1/2 height C/H/S: 1547/4/33
>Anybody know what the four switches (I a dip-switch package) do?
>Could I be doing better (or worse) by adjusting them?
To quote from the manual, pp50:
Switch 1, interrupt enable:
This switch must be closed in order for any interrupts
generated by the hard drive to pass through to the
Apple. (Interrupts are not used at this time.)
Switch 2, PS enable:
When pseudo-slotting in the Apple IIgs, this switch must
be closed. When pseudo-slotting in the //e or ][+, this
switch must be open.
Switch 3, ][+ boot enable:
Leaving this switch open allows a II+ or an unenhanced //e
to boot directly from the hard disk. If the hard disk is
not to be the boot device in these systems, this switch
should be closed. In a IIgs or an enhanced //e, this switch
should also be closed.
Switch 4, Pseudo-Slot Enable:
When this switch is closed, the controller card will show
up in slot 7, no matter which slot it is in. With it open,
the card uses the slot in which it is placed.
6.11.7) 2.5" IDE drive (44 pin connector)
[...]
The signals assigned for 44-pin applications are described in table 16.
Although there are 50 pins in the plug, the mating receptacle need contain
only 44 pins (the removal of pins E and F provides room for the wall of the
receptacle).
The first four pins of the connector plug located on the device are not to
be connected to the host, as they are reserved for manufacturer's use. Pins
E, F and 20 are keys, and are removed.
+-------------------------------------------1-E-----+
| o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o K C A |
| o o o o o o o o o o o o K o o o o o o o o o K D B |
+44----------------------20-----------------2-F-----+
+=================-=========-=============-=========-==================+
| Signal |Connector| |Connector| Signal |
| name | contact | Conductor | contact | name |
|-----------------+---------+-------------+---------+------------------|
| Vendor specific| A | | B | Vendor specific |
| Vendor specific| C | | D | Vendor specific |
| (keypin) | E | | F | (keypin) |
| RESET- | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Ground |
| DD7 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 | DD8 |
| DD6 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 6 | DD9 |
| DD5 | 7 | 7 | 8 | 8 | DD10 |
| DD4 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | DD11 |
| DD3 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | DD12 |
| DD2 | 13 | 13 | 14 | 14 | DD13 |
| DD1 | 15 | 15 | 16 | 16 | DD14 |
| DD0 | 17 | 17 | 18 | 18 | DD15 |
| Ground | 19 | 19 | 20 | 20 | (keypin) |
| DMARQ | 21 | 21 | 22 | 22 | Ground |
| DIOW- | 23 | 23 | 24 | 24 | Ground |
| DIOR- | 25 | 25 | 26 | 26 | Ground |
| IORDY | 27 | 27 | 28 | 28 | PSYNC:CSEL |
| DMACK- | 29 | 29 | 30 | 30 | Ground |
| INTRQ | 31 | 31 | 32 | 32 | IOCS16- |
| DA1 | 33 | 33 | 34 | 34 | PDIAG- |
| DAO | 35 | 35 | 36 | 36 | DA2 |
| CS0- | 37 | 37 | 38 | 38 | CS1- |
| DASP- | 39 | 39 | 40 | 40 | Ground |
|* +5v (Logic) | 41 | 41 | 42 | 42 | +5V (Motor) * |
|* Ground (Return)| 43 | 43 | 44 | 44 | TYPE- (0=ATA)* |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| * Pins which are additional to those of the 40-pin cable. |
+======================================================================+
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
6.11.8) 3.5" IDE drive (40 pin connector)
Interface Signal Assignments and Descriptions
The physical interface consists of receivers and drivers communicating
through a 40-conductor flat ribbon non-shielded cable using an asynchronous
interface protocol. Reserved signals shall be left unconnected.
+===========================================+=============+====+============
=+
| Description | Source |Pin | Acronym
|
+-------------------------------------------+-------------+----+------------
-+
| Reset | Host | 1 | RESET-
|
| | n/a | 2 | Ground
|
| Data bus bit 7 | Host/Device | 3 | DD7
|
| Data bus bit 8 | Host/Device | 4 | DD8
|
| Data bus bit 6 | Host/Device | 5 | DD6
|
| Data bus bit 9 | Host/Device | 6 | DD9
|
| Data bus bit 5 | Host/Device | 7 | DD5
|
| Data bus bit 10 | Host/Device | 8 | DD10
|
| Data bus bit 4 | Host/Device | 9 | DD4
|
| Data bus bit 11 | Host/Device | 10 | DD11
|
| Data bus bit 3 | Host/Device | 11 | DD3
|
| Data bus bit 12 | Host/Device | 12 | DD12
|
| Data bus bit 2 | Host/Device | 13 | DD2
|
| Data bus bit 13 | Host/Device | 14 | DD13
|
| Data bus bit 1 | Host/Device | 15 | DD1
|
| Data bus bit 14 | Host/Device | 16 | DD14
|
| Data bus bit 0 | Host/Device | 17 | DD0
|
| Data bus bit 15 | Host/Device | 18 | DD15
|
| Ground | n/a | 19 | Ground
|
| (keypin) | n/a | 20 | Reserved
|
| DMA Request | Device | 21 | DMARQ
|
| Ground | n/a | 22 | Ground
|
| I/O Write | Host | 23 | DIOW-
|
| Ground | n/a | 24 | Ground
|
| I/O Read | Host | 25 | DIOR-
|
| Ground | n/a | 26 | Ground
|
| I/O Ready | Device | 27 | IORDY
|
| Spindle Sync or Cable Select | (note 1) | 28 | SPSYNC:CSEL
|
| DMA Acknowledge | Host | 29 | DMACK-
|
| Ground | n/a | 30 | Ground
|
| Interrupt Request | Device | 31 | INTRQ
|
| 16 Bit I/O | Device | 32 | IOCS16-
|
| Device Address Bit 1 | Host | 33 | DA1
|
| PASSED DIAGNOSTICS | (note 1) | 34 | PDIAG-
|
| Device Address Bit 0 | Host | 35 | DAO
|
| Device Address Bit 2 | Host | 36 | DA2
|
| Chip Select 0 | Host | 37 | CS0-
|
| Chip Select 1 | Host | 38 | CS1-
|
| Device Active or Slave (Device 1) Present | (note 1) | 39 | DASP-
|
| Ground | n/a | 40 | Ground
|
+-------------------------------------------+-------------+----+------------
-+
| Note 1: See signal descriptions for information on source of these signals
|
+===========================================================================
=+
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
6.11.9) IDE Hard Disk Interface IDC-40 Male (or this)
pin assignment pin assignment
1 -Reset 2 GND
3 Data 7 4 Data 8
5 Data 6 6 Data 9
7 Data 5 8 Data 10
9 Data 4 10 Data 11
11 Data 3 12 Data 12
13 Data 2 14 Data 13
15 Data 1 16 Data 14
17 Data 0 18 Data 15
19 GND 20 Key
21 (reserved) 22 GND
23 -IOW 24 GND
25 -IOR 26 GND
27 IO Chrdy 28 Ale
29 (reserved) 30 GND
31 IRQ14 32 -IOCS16
33 Addr 1 34 (reserved)
35 Addr 0 36 Addr 2
37 -CS0 (1F0-1F7) 38 -CS1 (3f6-3f7)
39 -Active 40 GND