Re: Norton Ghost type program for IIgs?

["Jason Whorton" <jason at microxl.com>]

"Michael J. Mahon" <mjmahon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Jason Whorton wrote:
>
> >Hello and thanks for the information.  I re-read the manual and it does
say
> >it can copy hard drive to hard drive, but then of course I noticed that I
> >only have the 5.25" disk and not the 3.5" disk.  I went to the Apple site
> >and it says:
> >
> >Name:              Apple II SCSI Utilities
> >Version:           1.1
> >Date Released:     February 19, 1990
> >Description:       SCSI Utilities disk for the Apple II
> >
> >The software posted here is available in two formats:
> >
> >1.)  A Macintosh self-extracting archive (.sea) of a Disk Copy 800K
ProDOS
> >disk image.  To use, download, double-click the downloaded file (this
> >decompresses it), and use Disk Copy to create a disk.
> >
> >Disk Copy can be found in the Utilities folder posted here.
> >
> >2.)  An Apple IIGS ShrinkIt archive in Binary II format.  To use,
download
> >and use ShrinkIt to decompress and create a disk.
> >
> >Shrinkit can be found in the Apple II Supplemental folder posted here.
> >
> >
> >
> >Of course, I am caught in the same Catch-22 as everyone else trying to
get a
> >IIgs up and going, no full install of GS/OS.  :-(
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jason Whorton
>
> I'm not sure I understand just which problem you have.

Here is the equipment I have in my system right now:

IIgs ROM 03
Sirius RAM card (4MB)
TWGS
Apple High-Speed SCSI Card
two 3.5 Drives
two 5.25 drives
Apple 80SC (80MB hard drive with two 32MB ProDOS partiations - this is
borrowed from my IIe and I want to format the partitions and install GS/OS
6.0.1 on this hard drive)

I also have one of the 3.5 superdrive cards, but no superdrives right now.

My problem is that I want a full "clean install" of GS/OS 6.0.1 on my hard
drive, but I do not have six, DS/DD, 3.5", ProDOS formatted disks with the
six diffferent 6.0.1 disks.  All I have is a boot floppy for 6.0.1.  I have
downloaded the image files from Apple.  I have a PC.  I also have several
older (IIcx - 7200) Mac's in a storage building.  I am going to try to find
one that either has a working OS and the Disk Copy and PC Exchange parts
working properly, or try to do a clean install of Mac OS 7.6, which I have
on CD.  Hopefully, I can set up the Mac Middle Man and get my IIgs up and
going.



> Do you have a 5.25" disk drive?  An Apple II is very limited in the
> software than can be used if you do not have one.
>
> You will need an older Mac (to write 800KB 3.5" disks) or a PC
> with a serial connection to transfer downloaded images/files to
> your Apple II.  An alternative is getting physical disks from A2 Central
> or from some other source.

I bought AppleWorks GS off eBay.  It says it has a tele-communications
program on it.  Can I boot to AWGS and then use a null modem cable?  If so,
can I use a Super Serial Card to Imahewriter II cable or a IIgs to
Imagewriter I cable?  I don't know if these have the same pin-out or not.  I
think I have a DB-25 to DB-9 adapter somewhere to connect the cable.


> ProSel is a very comprehensive ProDOS-based program selector and
> disk utility suite.  (A 16-bit version is also available, but perhaps
harder
> to use from a floppy drive.)
>
> The "Volume Copy" utility included with ProSel is a fast, reliable
> disk-to-disk volume copy program.  I have used it for years for just
> the kind of backup you desire.  ProSel also contains one of the best
> disk integrity checkers I have seen, called "Mr. Fixit".
>
> If you want a simple, fast, free solution, download ProSel and you'll
> be set.  All of this--and much else that you will want to do in the
> future--requires that you have a convenient way to get downloaded
> Apple II disk images onto Apple II 5.25" or 3.5" disks.  So that is
> your first assignment...  ;-)

Yes, the first step is always the hardest.  :-)  I purchased one of the
Superdrive cards for my IIgs, so hopefully after installing GS/OS 6.0.1 and
the MS-DOS FST (thanks Greg Bughner, Rich Beaudry, and Joel from
csa2.marketplace), I will be able to cut out the Mac Middle Man and just
download them on the PC, put them on a floppy disk and then sneaker-net them
to the IIgs.

Thank you!
Jason Whorton



> -michael
>
>
> >"Terry Olsen" <tolsen64@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:Nelw9.30$Ad.6946944@news2.randori.com...
> >> Whenever I try to make a 2mg image of a prodos hard disk partition, it
> >will
> >> get partially through, then error out with an overflow error...maybe I
> >don't
> >> have the latest version of Asimov???
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mitchell Spector" <mitch2gs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> 3dc1b33f.3937963@news.golden.net">news:3dc1b33f.3937963@news.golden.net...
> >> > "Jason Whorton" <jason at microxl.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >Hello.  Is there a program for the IIgs that is similar to Norton
Ghost
> >> for
> >> > >the PC?  If you are not familiar with Norton Ghost, it allows a disk
to
> >> disk
> >> > >copy, or a partition to partition copy.  It is run from a DOS
bootable
> >> > >floppy disk  I read my Apple High-Speed SCSI Card manual, and it
states
> >> that
> >> > >the utility disk can back it up to floppies.  It didn't mention two
> >hard
> >> > >drives.  I am guessing that would have been insanely expensive ten
> >years
> >> > >ago.  I am slowly but surely getting my IIgs system up and going.
When
> >I
> >> do
> >> > >get it up and going, one thing I want is to have two seperate hard
disk
> >> > >drives.  I want the second one to be an exact copy of the first one
in
> >> case
> >> > >the hard drive dies.  Thanks to everyone who has posted helpful
> >> information
> >> > >whether for me or others.  It helps all of us.
> >> >
> >> >     I can think of at least two or three ways of accomplishing this.
The
> >> > first would be to use Ninjaforce's Asimov 2.0 program. It can create
> >> > a image copy of an entire partition (stored as a '2MG' file) then
> >restore
> >> > a byte for byte copy onto the same or a new partition. Typically
you'll
> >> > require an HFS partition to store the '2MG' image file, as it'll
exceed
> >> > the file limit size for ProDOS (16 MB).
> >> >
> >> >     The second method would be to use GSTape to make an image
> >> > copy, however this requires you have a SCSI tape drive and media.
> >> > I've made backup copies of all my partitions this way, though I don't
> >> > generally trust magnetic tape so I plan to burn 2MG images (created
> >> > with Asimov) to CDR or CDRW's using my PC. I can at least read
> >> > the CDR's on the IIgs side for restoring partitions.
> >> >
> >> >     Finally, and I may have the ONLY remaining copy of it, is a
plug-in
> >> > ROM replacement for the RamFAST controller that does very fast
> >> > SCSI-to-SCSI partition copies. It was used by TMS Peripherals to
> >> > make mass copies of hardrives they sold (with the OS and IIgs
> >> > shareware pre-installed). If I can get ahold of an EPROM burner
> >> > I'd be glad to share copies of it, or at least dump a copy to disk.
>
> -michael
>
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