Re: OMG!

[Roy and/or Janet Miller <millers@inetnebr.com>]

Byron Desnoyers Winmill wrote:

> Roy and/or Janet Miller (millers@inetnebr.com) wrote:
> : Byron Desnoyers Winmill wrote:
> : It is fully ANSI compliant. However, after it was written and on the market,
> : the ANSI standards were changed. Put a date on your ANSI.
>
> You probably know a great deal more about the history of the ANSI standard
> than I,

What I know, I learned from posts by Mike Westerfield on Delphi. Any errors are my
own, and should not be attributed to Mike.

> since I am old enough to know it and young enough to have avoided
> what was (from my understanding) a long approval process.  It is also worth
> noting that CodeWarrior 9 Gold must be based on a lat draft of ANSI C++.

Of course, ANSI C++ would be a bit different from ANSI C, wouldn't it?

>
>
> : You need to recheck the ByteWorks site. "Opus II" offers ALL the ByteWorks
> : products for $95, C, Pascal, GSBasic, Logo, Assembler, et al.
>
> Yes, but you are comparing Canuck dollars to Yankee dollars.

Sorry, I didn't notice that you are from the frozen north ;-)

> The numbers,
> roughly speaking, do work out.  Besides, on brute force comparison,
> CodeWarrior 9 Gold crushes Opus II.

Hehehe, well, CodeWarrior won't run on my Apple IIgs, and won't produce code for
my IIgs, so it's like using a sledge hammer to crush a fly... and missing. Oh,
I've seen various editions of CodeWarrior, but though they offered Assembly, C,
C++, Pascal, and Java, I've never seen BASIC or Logo offered.... why is that??
BASIC is still the Chevy of programming languages.

> That is, of course, irrelevant if you
> plan on targetting the Apple II.

But this is an Apple II newsgroup, and most of us would have that target, wouldn't
we? :-)

>
>
> : > And let's face it, an old computer is an old computer.
> : And an old car is an old car? So you'd trade a '49 Packerd for a 89 Yugo?
>
> Okay, so that was a bad way to put it.  But, in general, I enjoy poking
> around old computers because of their virtues.

Ditto.

> Virtues which I have
> difficulty seeing in new computers.  Whether the computer is an Apple II,
> an Amiga, an Atari, or the Macintosh, I could care less.

I've got Mac Pluses stored under the stairs. I have a 512, and a 128 that was
upgraded to 512 (I'm going to have to have that retrofitted one of these days
[restored may be a better term]), a Lisa 2/10, a couple of SEs, three Classic IIs,
two Performas, an LCII and a PowerComputing clone. Oh, and then there is my
collection of Apple II clones, Franklins 1200, 1000, 1000Plus, and 500, and Laser
128EX. I also have an Atari 1040ST, TRS-80 Model III, and a Kaypro 2x, with some
Coleco ADAMS coming (come to papa baby boy!)

The point is, I agree with you, that older machines can be fun. 1. They can be
cheap to find (and many I got for just a few pennies - Yankee pennies  ;-)  2.
They have an economy that I enjoy - doing a job or playing a game without needing
megabytes of memory, or gigs of storage.  3. It's fun to hotrod them too, when the
time, opportunity, and money come together.

> I simply prefer
> the Apple II because it was a machine I had a great deal of fun on at an
> earlier age.

It was the first machine I ever used, though only briefly.

>
>
> : > While my Apple II sits collecting dust for a lack of software,
> : My IIs have more software than I can run.
>
> Then you are lucky indeed, since original Apple software in these parts is
> elusive.

I'm truly sorry to hear that - check school surplus auctions, and of course the
thrift stores. And sometimes you can get a real deal on eBay - esp if the auction
doesn't have a picture.

>
>
> : > It does not look good for the II.
> : It looks great for mine. And for many of my friends. Either you are looking
> : in the right places, or you haven't been willing to spend a little.
>
> My budget is quite finite, so watching expenses are quite necessary.  The
> Macintosh simply give me more to explore for the same dollar.

I can understand that. But you also need to understand that there are people who
have the ability or at least the drive, to have II stuff, as opposed to Mac stuff.

If you are really in a tight fix, Wintel stuff that is older is even cheaper to
lay your hands on....

Roy

>
>
> Byron.