Re: New Apple II SuperSite Online

[Quantum_Cat <quantum@N-o_S-p-a-m-cotse.com>]

Hiya, Michael,

 *>Quantum Cat:

 *>It's apparent to me that you have no desire what so ever to help the
 *>apple2 community... no matter what happens, you seem to down others
 *>efforts to make the apple2 live on...

Then you aren't looking hard enough.  I "down" those that steal to "help the 
apple2 community".  Why would anyone with any moral sense want to join such a 
community?

The Apple II Community is quite able to survive without becoming a den of thieves 
and scum, thank you.

 *>As a matter of fact, I have seen you contribute not *ONE* thing to
 *>help Apple, you seem to be here to make others feel bad, to make
 *>yourself feel better.  That's pretty sad when you must trash the
 *>efforts of others to make yourself feel good.

There is nothing I can do but whack you with a "clue by four", Michael.  I don't 
need a licence to "contribute" anything to "Apple". I can stand up and voice my 
opinion that ripping off developers is not the way to got though.   Understand?

 *>Lets look at the others on this newsgroup, Sheppy, myself, and a
 *>select group of others who offer to help the community...

And you're offended thatI question the wisdom of simply swiping the labors of 
some web developer for your "contribution"?  You appear to be "contributing" 
mostly the labours of others.  Does that make you proud?

 *>I think if a vote were taken, it would be YOU who is not desired on
 *>the newsgroup.

Vote away.  Who's going to count them?

 *>I've heard you were once a very talented Apple2 programmer, I don't
 *>know if it's true or not, but if it is, try developing an app that
 *>someone could use, or offer your knowledge, and strengthen the apple
 *>2 community.

I've developed a few things. "Very talented"?  Hardly.  Now tell me why I'd want 
to develop for a community that seems to value feasting on the efforts of other's 
efforts?

I'm happy to assist folks in my other persona's by the way.

 *>Everyone on this group has one thing in common, they have an
 *>appreciation for the Apple II computer, they appreciate what it has
 *>done for the world... if it weren't for the apple II, home computers
 *>may not be here today, or at the least, be where they are today. 

No disagreement here, Michael.

 *>I'm 27, and I've got one of every Apple II made.... they sit in a
 *>display case - for people to look at, that would never understand or
 *>appreciate what they were, or even still are today.  My son will
 *>never know what a 5.25 floppy is, or a green phospor monitor - he'll
 *>never know the joys of the old computer swap meets where someone
 *>built an interface to their Apple to control which satellites they
 *>watched on their old 30 foot satelite dish in the back yard, or
 *>going into a software store and seeing an Apple, Commodore, Amiga,
 *>Atari and Apple section - he'll just see IBM.  All of these things
 *>brought us to where we are today.... and they are all here because
 *>of the two guys who had vision and brains (Steve and Steve), and
 *>made it a reality.

Thanks for the history lesson.  But I've lived through all that.  You have yet to 
justify ripping off another's site to make yours.  This is called a Red Herring, 
Michael.

 *>Apple2world.com is a site I put up to do nothing more than help the
 *>community.  With Delphi and Genie gone, the only medium for us to

Dephi is gone?  Damn...  

 *>stay in touch with other apple enthusiasts are this newsgroup, and
 *>while it does it's job, it lacks a lot of bells and whistles. 
 *>Apple2world.com has real time chat, forums, games, file libraries,
 *>and the potential to be maybe what Delphi or Genie once was... and
 *>ya know what??? I don't want a damn thing in return... I don't want
 *>money, I don't want fame, I just want a place where we can keep the
 *>Apple II alive.

Hey.  No problem.  But why steal the means?

 *>I'm sure you'll have a comment (a snide one) to reply to this - but
 *>you're not going to break my spirit to help keep Apple II's alive.

I could just possibly care less about your spirit.  I don't question your 
motives.  Apple II's are cool.  I question your methods.

 *>And in regards to the Dieresis Site - we use their NEWSBOY product
 *>for the web headline news, and we did copy and modify their site. 
 *>You obviously know this because I left LINKS to their site in the
 *>page and in the source.... yes, Dieresis contacted me, and our
 *>issues were resolved.  Not everyone in the world has a vendetta to
 *>hurt others....

Hey, if they're happy with what you did, then let me be the first to pat you on 
the head.  

Not everyone feels any great need to rip others off either, without regard as to 
the harm they do.  Turlettes do in particular though.

 *>and another thing while I am at it.... why don't you lay off of
 *>Turley?  

Just because he's the Head Turd?  Yeah.. That's it.  He's been a thorn in the 
side of legitimate Apple II fans for longest, so he gets the crown.  ;)

 *>I'm moving his site over to one of our servers because he
 *>had a stroke of badluck, and I have NEVER... and I mean NEVER seen
 *>someone who has put forth more effort and dedication to the apple2
 *>with no personal gain for himself other than the promotion of the
 *>Apple itself... 

And in this time, have you actually seen much in the way of original content from 
him?  It appears that he leeches the work of others and distills it down to 
something he can tack his name on and publish on his crappy website.  He's not 
adverse to completely removing the source of his information either.  As for 
personal gain, I think he just likes the attention.

 *>he's written online E-zines, put files online,
 *>offered support... and to tell you the truth, my personal dealings
 *>with the guy, he's just all around nice, and would give the shirt
 *>off his back to someone who needed it.  

Too bad it's not his shirt to begin with.  Odd that con artists are so likable 
too..

 *>Again, someone else who has
 *>helped the A2 community and you continually bash them.  I'm new to
 *>the newsgroup, so I am sure I am missing others you take potshots
 *>at, but he seems to be the one you enjoy most.

I mostly aim at losers who rip others off.  If that includes you, then my aim is 
still good.  And yes, Tom is a nice target.  Especially when he does something 
stupid and panics.  His typical buttcovering then just has me rolling on the 
floor...  ;)

 *>Take a look in the mirror, if you don't like what you see, try and
 *>change it....

Well...  Hey.. That's one damn good looking cat...  ;)

 *>Mike

 *>P.S.  You're still welcome on apple2world.com - don't take this
 *>message as a flame towards you.. perhaps just some advice on how to
 *>be a better person.

So.. let me ask?  Why did you feel the need to rip off almost the entire efforts 
of someone else?  A little Photoshop brushup to hide the evidence, but leaving 
the imagemap intact?

You're a better person?  No thanks, Michael.  I won't be coming to you for 
advice.  ;)

But thanks for the invite.  I'm there.


Vogons For a Turlette Free Apple II Community!

Quantum_Cat