Re: Reclassification - Eunuchfication celebration continues

["Quantum_Cat" <anonymous@cotse.com>]

Regards, Rosy..

 *>Grettings, Quantum_Cat.

Hmm.. had to look that up to see if it was an obscure curse. 
;)

 
 *>> 
 *>> LOL!  When he STARTED the modern drive?  Whatta hoot!
 *>> 
 *>> The effort has been going on long before Turley dreamed 
of
 *>> trying an honest act.  Lost Classics has been alive and
 *>> running.
 *> ....

 *>     Yes; that does seem to be true ... now. However, in 
early 1997, it was
 *>an old GEnie project which had run out of steam. Tom is 
the one who got
 *>things rolling again.
 *>

Perhaps it did run out of steam while folks were worried 
about the demise of Genie, and the reins weren't handed off 
smoothly, but claiming Tom was the one to get it going again 
is... absurd.  ;)

At least you'd have to provide more evidence that support 
your assertion.

 *>     An irony is that interest in reclassification 
probably got the biggest
 *>boost via an effort that failed-- i.e. the trials and 
tribulations involved
 *>in finally tracking down the real owner of Word Perfect 
and finding that he
 *>was not at all interested in reclassifying the product.

Uh.. Yeah.  After he had posted it and claimed to have 
permission.  Is it any wonder that the "Word of Turley" is 
synonymous with "lie"?

 *>     Of course, Tom's success with Medley/gs was a boost, 
too. It showed
 *>that getting important software reclassified was doable.

Wellll.... Applewriter, GraForth and others from Paul Lutus 
were hardly unimportant.  I suspect we can lob rocks at each 
others "Important" list all day, and get nowhere.  In any 
case, getting software reclassified IS a boost, no matter who 
is responsible.

I'd be overwhelmed if the Dorktor actually did some and 
provided evidence.

 *>     The resulting interest and discussions led to 
consideration of a Csa2
 *>effort to get more old commercial software officially 
released for free
 *>access. About this time, Willie Yeo volunteered to set up 
the Treasure Chest
 *>Project.

I understand that Willie's efforts are individual.  At least 
I haven't seen a "Csa2 effort" assisting him.  Any efforts by 
the Dorktor seem to center around his own "publications" and 
ignoring Willie.

 *>     Evidently, Howard began to revive the Lost Classics 
project some time
 *>in
 *>1998 or 1999. It is not easy to be sure because he seems 
to post here

About the time of the migration from the floundering Genie to 
Delphi, I think.

 *>anonymously. (Which is his right; but, as a result, giving 
credit is more
 *>difficult.)

I don't remember seeing Howard post here.  I think he saves 
his efforts on a forum that appreciates the efforts he and 
his assistants go through.

After all, why would a Turlette care?  "Big Deal.  I've had 
that in my stash for years.."

 *>> 
 *>> For example, what is YOUR definition of "real progress"?  
It
 *>> seems to be all over the place... If Tom gets a program
 *>> reclassified, that's progress, but if Willie and Howard 
do,
 *>> it's not?
 *>> 
 *>> Sheesh..

 *>     ???

 *>     Have routinely thanked Willie and Penman (Howard?) 
for their efforts in
 *>postings to this newsgroup. The original observation was 
simply that Tom is
 *>the one who got things moving again.

Well, it sounds a lot like revisionist history to me.  ;)

 *>> 
 *>>  *>     Meanwhile, we should not omit thanks to the 
great A2
 *>>  *> archives-- standing ever ready to fill in the gaps.
 *>>  *>
 *>> 
 *>> And what archives are these?  Your latest illegal pirate
 *>> sites?  Or the legal ones with hundreds of megabytes of
 *>> useful software?
 *>>

 *>     Must admit that the reference to the archives was 
Troll bait-- just a
 *>little dab.

No prob.  ;)

 *>     As for the so-called "illegal pirate sites", that 
discussion is ended.

Oh?  And the verdict?

BTW, Screaming "We won! We won!" doesn't cut it.  ;)

 *>     You might as well know this:  Whatever they are 
called, they are
 *>supported by the overwhelming majority of users. They will 
remain and, very
 *>likely, expand, because they are necessary.

One day, Rosy, you're going to have to share how you get your 
statistical data.

For example, before you could find out if a number is a 
majority, you'd have to know the total.

Unless you know BOTH, then you're simply fabricating numbers 
again.

Or as Mark Twain said:

"There are lies, Damn lies, and Statistics"

As for being necessary.. Come ON!  Playing Dig Dug is 
necessary?  Do look up the word in the dictionary and join me 
in snickering.  ;)

They can and will expand, that's agreed.  Unless mold and 
mildew is cleaned up, it does the same.

That just means some poor pirate sap will lose his cable 
account in time.  Maybe a long time.  I'll do my best to 
throw hand grenades down their shorts.  ;)

 *>     If you like, we can 'agree to disagree'.

We do that so well.  ;)

 *> 
 *> ....
 *>> 
 *>>  *> A useful change would be to shorten the term of
 *>>  *> software/firmware copyrights to something like 5 
years.
 *>> 
 *>> What a position to take... 5 years.  I can tell right 
now,
 *>> you've never put forth a legitimate programming effort.

 *>     You can tell that?

You would put that kind of limit on your own return?  You'd 
either be an idiot or a Saint.  If there's any difference.

 *>     So long as we have things as we wish them to be, all 
will be well.

Wishing doesn't make it so, Rosy...  You've got Disney on the 
brain.  ;)

 *>     Enjoy the celebration!

yay... whee...

I'm underwhelmed.  ;)

Vogons For a Turlette Free Apple II Community!

Quantum_Cat