Re: A2 Trade/Swap ... site ...

[Roy and/or Janet Miller <millers@inetnebr.com>]

bobryan9@my-deja.com wrote:

> Emulators are an interesting thing.  A very small percent of emulator
> users want a faster IIe/C/IIgs, so they upgrade to an emulator.

And why do the overwhelming majority of emulator users go that route? And
can you prove your assertion?

>  They
> go through the hassle of transferring the disk images to the PC or MAC,
> and use their fake Apple II's happily.  How small of a percentage is
> this?  How many people keep their space-wasting Apple II's, monitors,
> and boxes of software so they can legally use the emulator and
> software?  They've got it on the emulator, why keep all the crap?
>
> A majority (I'd guess

The operative word is guess, I haven't seen any facts yet Bob

> greater than %99) of emulator users sold or threw
> their apple II's away long ago, and now want to run an apple II for
> nostalgia's sake.

The major argument I've seen for the emulators is the greater speed, esp in
compiling software. I'd hate to try to play ChopLifter at 50 mhz!

> They remember all of those games and other programs
> they had long ago and want to try them out again.
>
> Where do they get all of their software, Hmmm?  Don't even try to claim
> they go to the used market.

And what facts can cite Bob? What authoritative survey has been done? None
you say? Then we have here another wild guess, another shot in the dark...
don't hit yourself in the foot Bob.

>
> There's another lead for the piracy pigs (police)....  The majority of
> emulator users are PIRATING Apple II software!

I guess Bob must have missed that other post citing some very interesting
court cases to show that if you own a machine, the use of it's ROM even in
emulation isn't a violation of the law.

> An emulator requires
> the Apple II ROM image to operate.  The ROM contains copyrighted
> material from Apple Inc. and Microsoft.  There's two companies being
> ripped off in one.  That stuffs definitely copyrighted.

It most definitely is!

>
> An emulator programmer may be breaking patent laws too.  They are
> COPYING the Apple II  (video modes, i/o addressing, RAM structure, etc)
> in software.  THEY ARE COPYING APPLE INC.'s DESIGN.

They are emulating it, in software. Besides, Franklin and Laser had *legal*
clones of the Apple ][. And their clones were hardware copies. Even the
Franklin 1000 series was legal, as far as the hardware is concerned, it was
Franklin's rip-off of the Apple ROM and DOS that got them into trouble.

>  Over 20 years ago
> a guy named Steve Wozniak put his time, effort, money, and hard work
> into the design of the Apple II.  These ideas came from his mind.  His
> intellectual property.  Some emulator programmers even require a
> shareware fee!

Well Bob, I sure hope you aren't using any MS-DOS, Wintel machines except
one from Big Blue, because all those "wonderful" clones out there are
copies of the intellectual property of IBM.

>
> Did they ask apple Inc. if they could share their wares?  I think not.
>
> Why not go after them?
>
> I've got a pretty good guess.  You guys use emulators.

I don't.

>
> How 'bout a new slogan for the users of Bernie 2 the Rescue?
>
> Instead of "woofing along at X Mhz":
>
> "arrrgggghhhhh'ing along at X Mhz"
>
> Comments are very welcome!  Shall you tell the readers that it's okay
> to copy ROM images and the entire hardware design of the Apple II (in
> software)?
>
> :)
>
> Bob
>
> Using the real hardware at 12.5Mhz with well over 400 dollars spent in
> the last 4 years on software.  Not using Spectrum because there's no
> shell accounts here.

Now if I could only get my ZipGSX up to that speed; perhaps soon. And I've
spent more money that I really want my wife to know on Apple ][ stuff too.
:-)

Roy