Re: a2 dead? read this.

[Slick <PAYSlick_RCBD@hotmail.com>]

I have been on CSA2 since August '97. In tbat time, I have never flamed
anyone. I need to ask this question and hope it is not taken as a flame.

Nathan, who are these "pirates, jerks, and thieves" that we shouldn't
tolerate. The only ones you mentioned on your web site are Dr. Tom and
Rubywand. I tried and failed to find the infamous article in which
Rubywand endorsed piracy with Deja News. As I obviously missed the
Rubywand message, I also seem to have missed ALL the messages from Dr.
Tom in which he advocates piracy. All I have seen from them are helpful,
constructive posts. From what I have observed, they are good members of
the community. True, they have participated in the numerous flame wars,
but so have you.

Jim gets it right when he says to stop whining. Please respond to this
post and tell me what to search for with Deja News to prove my position
wrong. I am sorry to invite another flame war, but enough is enough. I
am tired of seeing Nathan's rants again and again with no justification.
I have read the file on Dr. Tom. Is it possible that he has reformed
himself? Give him a break.

I am NOT defending my friends. To my knowledge, I do not know anyone
here personally.
I am just acting on my observations since August '97. Please help me see
that my position is wrong with example or stop the rants.

LJSilicon, your personal attacks on Nathan after his rants aren't
helping the Apple II community any more than the rants you were
responding to.
Nathan Mates wrote:
> 
> In article <357d7638.0@calico.litterbox.com>,
> Jim <jim@calico.litterbox.com> wrote:
> >I guess my point here is, there are still a few vendors selling old stuff and
> >making new stuff for the apple2.  Let's stop whining about how we were dumped
> >by apple, and whatnot, and concentrate on preserving those vendors, eh?
> 
>    And that means acting like the C64 groups and not tolerating the
> pirates and thieves out to destroy the remaining vendors, programmers,
> etc. They focus solely on the past, and sacrifice any future. Get rid
> of them, or fewer and fewer programmers will *want* to work with such
> a platform. Those pirates are a cancer out to kill the system, so they
> must be removed-- sure it's not a pleasant experience taking them on,
> but they're out to kill the system and you've got to fight for its life.
> 
>    You can have new software. Or you can have piracy. Don't ever count
> on having both at the same time.
> 
> Nathan Mates
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