Re: OS For IIGS

[spec@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)]

In article hattonr@aug.com (Rick Hatton) writes...

>Mitchell Spector <spec@vax2.concordia.ca> wrote:
>
>> For US$999 I can buy a state-of-the-art PC clone, undoubtably better
>> equipped than the "package deal" Apple or these clone companies force you
>
>I got a 200 mhz 603e, 2 gig HD, 16 meg RAM, 256 cache.. and its a Umax
>that I chose to buy. No one forced me.

    You've just made my point, you got a package deal (everything
picked for you) and ended up getting less than if you bought a PC
clone and _you_ choose the parts separately. Coincidentally, I'm
assembling a Pentium system from parts as we speak; I picked up
32 MB worth of (60 ns) EDO memory for $85 Cdn (or roughly US$59),
a 3.5 floppy drive for $30 Cdn (roughly US$20) and a tall medium
towercase for $60 Cdn (roughly US$35). I wonder how much those
same items cost you in your UMax, or dread the thought, an Apple
manufactured Macintosh.

>And beleive me. This is much faster than a 200 mhz pentium. Iuse
>those at work.

    Sorry, I do not believe you. The PowerPC chip may have an edge,
but when used _in the Macintosh_ it is terribly crippled. Try to
compare real world use and you will see it is significantly SLOWER
than a 200 MHz Pentium, and that is fact. The Macintosh hardware
and software drags the whole thing down.

    Give me an example of something running faster than a 200
MHz Pentium, no blanket statements here, I want solid examples
of software and cases.

>>  but the truth of the matter is one is more true to the
>> term "multitasking" than the other
>
>They are different ways of diving tasks between a single processor. No
>more, no less.If you want "true multitasking", then youhave to have
>multiple CPUs.

    Oh, I see. So your saying it is just two different ways of doing
something but the _end result_ will turn out the same? You could not
be more wrong, and quite frankly, you come across looking like a fool
making statements like that. You believe MacOS and Win95 multitask
equally?

    If you do not understand the difference between cooperative and
preemptive multitasking, go read up on it in a technical reference
(I tried to explain in simple terms yet you seem to have ignored or
disbelieved what I said). You don't even need to read up technical
explains, just using MacOS and then Win95 are enough to enlighten
just about any person off the street, even someone whose never been
exposed to computers.

>>  nor
>> does it constantly bring up a dialog box with a bomb icon and bring down
>> all other applications when one crashes.
>
>the W95 machine at work crashes far more than my mac at home. And when
>Navigator does crash at home (thats about the onlyapp that crashes), it
>hasnt taken the whole machine since Ive gottenthe new PPC. I run MacOS
>purge and go forward.

    Once again, "the machine at work" example. Hmm, what is this about
it only now not crashing and taking the whole machine with it "since"
you've gotten a new PowerPC Macintosh? So this was only a problem on
the 68K Mac but has since been fixed your saying? Funny, I could have
sworn the problematic machines I was using that kept crashing said
"PowerMacintosh" on the front.

>> The Macintosh does
>> not even support something as basic as FM-synthesis!
>
>It supports everything with PCI cards.

    All the wavetable cards I've seen are ISA based, and even if you do
locate a PCI one, what Macintosh software supports it? I have heard of
the old Pro Audio Spectrum 16 (FM synthesis board) being reworked to
plug into a Macintosh. Care to tell me how many titles support even
this?

>I have found no home or even SOHO apps that need anything more than the
>stereo suuround sound of my Mac.

    Ah yes, the "if Apple did not include it, it is a useless feature"
argument. I'm glad you enjoy listening to prerecorded music looped
over and over, like a digital tape recorder. I personally enjoy music
generated by wavetable music synthesis, it sounds so much richer and
fuller. If you ever heard what came out of a Yahama XG or Roland SCC1
board, especially utilized in a game or multimedia application, you
might change your tone.

>>   All available through add-on boards on the PC, and once again,
>> much cheaper when you add it all up in the end.
>
>Did you pass math in school?

    Did you pass spelling in school? (hint: "hasnt", "Ive" and
"thats" above require an apostrophe in between as you're shorten
two words into one. "hasn't" is short for "has not". Sorry, to be
rude but you had that coming with comments like the one made
directly above).

     Yes I passed math, thank you, and I still know that if you
purchase all those features through add-on boards it will cost
less than buying a Macintosh with the features built-in. Another
problem: What if you do not want those features? Say your using
the computer as a strict number or word crunching machine in an
office setting, do you want to pay extra for stereo sound or
a CD-ROM drive? With the Macintosh you are _forced_ to purchase
and pay extra because they are _stuck_ on the motherboard! Maybe
I do want the extras, what if I do not like what is given? Then
what? I am again stuck! There is no winning here.

>>    Clearly superior to anyone whose fallen for Apple's propaganda
>> about how evil and awful PC's are.
>
>I never said PCs were evil. Ive said Microsoft is evil. Ivs said that
>people that choose to use Microsoft software are deluded.

    Good, that is even more of a paranoid and ridiculous thing to
say. Generalize about all people who use a brand of software and
their state of mind based on it. I use whatever software does the
best job, and it makes no difference who or where it came from.
Do you believe there is some nobility and just cause in refusing
to touch or run anything written by Microsoft? Microsoft is quite
annoying in that they make so much hype about their software (look
at the fanfare over Win95's release) and how many people fall for
their hype and in your face advertising. They're annoying, maybe
even kind of irritating, but evil...?

    I guess you have a different definition of evil than I do.
I consider companies that destroy the planet for profit, without
any regard to future consequences (e.g. clear cutting rain
forests) evil. I consider organizations who are xenophobic and
racist, believing one race is superior to another and commit
hate crimes (e.g. Quebec government) to be evil. I believe that
people who are cruel to animals are evil. Somehow, trying to put
Microsoft in this category seems kind of warped. My main point
though is it's a complete waste of time and energy to boycott
Microsoft when there are true _real world_ evils that you should
be concerned with. You, and the other Mac owners out there, are
obsessed with a piece of machinery to the point you believe a
software company is evil. Is this normal?

>> I really see
>> the Macintosh as a complete opposite to the Apple II and probably
>> the reason I'm not a fan of it.
>
>Well, my IIgs sits right next to my Mac, and Ive found the Mac to be a
>good comparison.

    I suppose your right. Like all Apple made products, the Apple IIgs
was crippled and fell sorely behind the competition. The Macintosh fits
right in there. Apple Computer is poison to anything to touches as far
as I'm concerned, and it took me awhile to open my eyes to that.

>> >I HATE that damn W95 machine.
>>     Your certainly free to do so, but you are missing out.
>
>Im not missing out on anything. I have 3 Macs and a IIgs at home. I am
>FORCED to work on a W95 machine at worked. I said forced and I meant
>forced. I hate it.

    Things forced upon people (even ideas and concepts) are rarely
enjoyed. As long as you are closed minded though, it is doubtful
you will ever even know you are missing out on something unless
you give it a chance.

>but will NOT resort to Microsoft in my home... and if I can banish that
>crap from my workplace so much the better...

    That's right, do not let the evil enter your home! Make sure to
get out your wooden apple (painted in rainbow stripes of course) and
wear it around your neck for protection!

    You are blindly passing judgement on all Microsoft software, and
the PC clone itself as you and other Mac users associate Microsoft
strongly with that platform. Geez, I'm so sick of hearing the exact
same arguments from every single Macintosh user, they are not even
your own thoughts, it is just the same canned speech you find on any
Macintosh fan page or get when speaking to a Mac user. They are not
even logical arguments (probably because if Macintosh users followed
logic they would understand how technologically behind their machines
are. Oh, and not take it so personally when criticisms are said about
the machine. I know there are many Mac users reading this now who
are probably steaming over my criticisms and think lesser of me for
these options. If you are, stop and think about that!).

Mitchell Spector
spec@vax2.concordia.ca