Re: METAL is now FREE!!!!!!

[kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name)]

dvac@druwa.ATT.COM (Daniel Vachon) writes:

>In article <C536xE.Cuq@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Roy Barrett) writes:
>> Daniel Vachon (dvac@druwa.ATT.COM) wrote:
>> 
>> : un-accelerated Apple //e, or even a Transwarped //e....I would not recommend
>> : METAL/FV for you.  
>> 
>> I don't think so...  Metal is -so- much faster than Acos, I've seen it on
>> all kinds of computers.  Something could actually be wrong, or the versions
>> of Metal you used had bad memory management.
>> 
>Well Roy...Are you a sysop?!  Have you ran METAL/FV on an Apple //e before?!
>The slow down was very apparent in message base sections...Also the Spacer
>Quest I had (the Metal Version) on-line with METAL was PAINFULLY slow.   

I have to admit, Metal on Dan's //e was pretty slow.  I'm not sure
why this was, but it was quite noticable.

>> : My 1 MHz ACOS system ran about 5 times faster than by 3.8MHz METAL system.

>> .... The kernel and the language that Metal has still
>> kills Acos.  Maybe the slowness was in FV, since GBBS is so lame as to even
>> have 1/20th of the coding Future Vision has.
>> 

>and granted, METAL has a lot of really nice things in it, but the loss of speed
>really was not worth it.  I also had problem after problem with the up/download
>protocols.  Xmodem was the only one people could use reliably.  With or 
>without compression on the HST.  And the sysop utilities in FV are unmatched
>by any other BBS program available, I will openly admit.  It is a hell of a 
>system, it just is not cut out to be run on an Apple //e with or without a 
>Transwap //e.  I think you will find that most sysops out there are running on
>accelerated Apple //gs's at 8 to 10Mhz....

>> : just some food for thought...
>> 
>> I think this food has gone bad.

>Maybe you should spend some time checking into some facts before inserting thy
>foot in thy mouth...  I am not ANTI-Metal or ANTI-FV, nor am I anti-ACOS.  
>They all have their places is what I am saying...  METAL/FV is great for high
>speed Apple //s, while ACOS is better for the low end.  Also, my BBS code for
>ACOS is pretty large, as I ran an ACOS system for about 5 years before 
>switching to METAL.  There were quite a few features in FV that I have similar
>things coded for in my ACOS bbs.   In your mind, maybe METAL/FV is god, but
>then maybe you have a //gs or something...I just have a //e, and IMHO ACOS or
>MACOS is a better bet for me.

Well, I'm not on an accelerated gs, but I am on a GS.

As for the Spacer Quest, the reasons that was slow (and it's slow for me too)
is that it is basically Firefox's code translated to metal.  When an if
I ever have the time to rewrite SQ, it will fly.


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